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Tuesday, September 13, 2011

Worst Case Scenario: Michele Bachmann Launches into Total Vaccine Hysteria


On the national stage of presidential primary politics, Rep. Michele Bachmann is ranting that the HPV vaccine can cause permanent damage to children. The HPV vaccine is safe and over 99% effective in protecting against HPV - the cause of genital warts and linked to cervical cancer. Uptake of the vaccine is already low, with less than 1 in 3 US teenage girls being vaccinated. Coverage is worst among minorities and low income kids. 6 million people are diagnosed with HPV each year, and 12,000 women are diagnosed with cervical cancer. Her misinformed and irresponsible comments will likely do damage to public health, at least among those few who see her as credible.

After piling on Texas Gov. Rick Perry in last night’s presidential debate, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) is continuing to attack the 2012 frontrunner for mandating that young girls get the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine.

Perry has apologized for the mandate, saying it was a mistake. One of his former top aides had gone on to become a lobbyist for vaccine-maker Merck & Co. and pushed the governor for an executive order.

Social conservatives argue that the vaccine, which protects against a sexually-transmitted disease that can lead to cervical cancer, encourages promiscuity. Perry’s decision has already riled up conservative activists; it might be Bachmann’s best hope to win back those voters.

Post-debate, the Minnesota congresswoman sent out a fundraising appeal on the issue with the title “I’m Offended.” In interviews after the debate, she suggested that the vaccine could do permanent damage.

“There’s a woman who came up crying to me tonight after the debate. She said her daughter was given that vaccine,” Bachmann said on Fox News. “She told me her daughter suffered mental retardation as a result. There are very dangerous consequences.”

Bachmann repeated the allegation on the “Today Show” this morning, adding, “It’s very clear that crony capitalism could have likely been the cause, because the governor's former chief of staff was the chief lobbyist for this drug company.”

And she’s getting support from a sometime-rival, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin. "You have to go up against the big guns," Palin said on FOX News last night. “And they will try to destroy you, when you call them out on the mistakes that they have made.” The phrase “crony capitalism” is one Palin used in a speech in Iowa last weekend and repeated last night.

The Center for Disease Control notes on its website that less than one percent of recipients reported “adverse events” after receiving the vaccine. Of those, 8 percent were “serious adverse events” — including Guillain-BarrĂ© syndrome, a rare neurologic disorder that causes paralysis and muscle weakness, not mental problems. According to the CDC, “There has been no indication” that the vaccine “increases the rate of GBS above the rate expected in the general population, whether or not they were vaccinated.”

But Bachmann clearly thinks she’s found a powerful line of attack against Perry, whose entrance into the race helped precipitate her fall in polls.

28 comments:

  1. The worst part is Bachmann and her supporters on the Religious Right don't actually believe any of that retardation stuff. They would be opposed to the vaccine even if it was perfectly safe, as it goes against their moral beliefs about protecting against STDs. I'm not opposed to people having strong moral beliefs on issues per se [disclaimer: I personally disagree with Bachmann's beliefs here], but making up science to support beliefs you already hold is dishonest and reprehensible.

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  2. I guess Crazy Eyes must have gotten the vaccination many times over from her severe mental retardation!

    I don't agree with forcing vaccinations, but claiming it causes mental retardation is ridiculous. Bachmann is just so far down the polls now she is desperate.

    It seems like her husband has also gotten a few semen vaccinations (injections) as well.

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  3. Uhm can you cite a paper that shows this vaccine is effective and safe?

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  4. And one of the intrinsic problems with these pharma-whores is their total belief (or so they are paid to say) in all things pharma.

    Simply because the measles or some other vaccine was shown safe and effective they are incapable of thinking even that a drug company could possibly push junk on the public. Their total adherence to the dogma renders them incapable of independent thought, pharma induced herd mentality I like to call it.

    Haven't they heard of Vioxx, thalidomide (still on the market) and numerous other killers and maimers, all clinically proven, scientifically backed and when the shit hit the fan lawyered up the ying yang in court.

    Guardasil? Ha, try even to show how an 18 month study of adolescents can honestly prove it protects against cancer 40 years down the track. Utter utter garbage. And more dead girls on top of it all.........denied of course.

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  5. "6 million people are diagnosed with HPV each year, and 12,000 women are diagnosed with cervical cancer."

    Do the math bozo, one in 500 infected with HPV is getting cervical cancer.

    How did a virus "associated" with a cancer become the cause? Even the HIV math at 30% of Aids patients was better than this little gem.

    How low can you go to make a profit versus of the potential life threatening side effects.

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  6. "Uhm can you cite a paper that shows this vaccine is effective and safe?"

    Yes.

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  7. Uhm, can Crazy Eyes cite a paper that shows HPV vaccine causes mental retardation? No. She simply gives a supposed anecdote of a woman, whom she also can not provide, who supposedly claims this caused mental retardation in her daughter.

    Many news outlets, such as Anderson Cooper, has tried to get Bachmann on to discuss this statement and she has, as Baker says, "recoiled like a vampire in church." hahahaha Sorry, I could not resist!

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  8. Snout's BenevolenceSeptember 14, 2011 at 8:07 AM

    Snout,
    Do you think "anonymous" will say: "Thanks, Snout, that clears that up for me! I appreciate you hearing my concerns and providing me with this study."??

    Me neither.

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  9. HPV is the cause of practically all cervical cancer. It doesn't mean that everyone or even most people with HPV will get cervical cancer. It means those women with cervical cancer wouldn't have it, were they not first infected with HPV. Very nearly all cervical cancer cells are found to be infected with HPV, and the virus seems to be required for their unregulated multiplication.

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  10. Dear Anonymous:
    'How did a virus "associated" with a cancer become the cause?'
    There are many different viruses under the generic term of HPV. Not all cause cancer; there are other, potentially painful and highly contagious diseases that need to be protected against.

    Please cite papers describing the "potential threatening side effects".

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  11. Four viruses implicated in human neoplasia are EBV, HPV, HBV, HTLV-1. They all require operations of cofactors to permit neoplastic expression. As with most cancers, complex pathologic interactions are required to defeat the function of normal cells programmed to prevent carcinogenesis.

    Every major medical body in the world disagrees completely with Michelle (Bat-Shit-Crazy) Bachmann. People like her, who follow such a stupid line of thinking, have no idea about cancer biology, let alone basic science.

    The reason the vaccine is given pre-pubescently is because the immune system is primed to have a more efficacious response at that age which results in a greater immunity to the virus. If you don't understand why or bother to read up on why - then you shouldn't be arguing otherwise.

    The HPV vaccine is one of the safest and most effective vaccines ever been given. It has been given over 30 million times. It is a vaccine against cancer which is amazing. It is so effective that medical bodies are now thinking that it might make sense to even give it to boys.

    I love the logic of the Denialist fools - no vaccine against HIV so HIV doesn't exist. A vaccine against cancer - but cancer exists and people shouldn't get the vaccine.

    Hilarious and sad at the same time. And it is people like Bachmann who pander to the Clark Bakers of the world. They speak to their low-intellectual level to relate to the lowest common denominator.

    And then they use the term "liberal elites." That is a metaphor for "educated". Because, you know - I would like to get my medical advice from a bat-shit-crazywoman creationist who is six inches from the looney-bin - or Rick Perry who clearly isn't the sharpest tool in the shed when you look at his college grades:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/61684192/Rick-Perry-s-Texas-A-M-Transcript

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  12. notElon, my goodness even with your own skewed logic you don't make sense. Let's say 1 in 500 HPV infectees get cervical cancer, how about then that of those 500 people 499 show antibodies to say chickenpox, that makes chickenpox a much more likely candidate than HPV.

    You'll just swallow any garbage Pharma throws at you.

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  13. You don't seem to understand. It has nothing to do with who has antibodies to papilloma virus, and everything to do with ALWAYS finding HPV gene expression in the tumor cells. We don't always find chickenpox genes expressed in the tumor cells. We can thus conclude that HPV is a necessary component of the tumor and chickenpox isn't.

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  14. You scientists guys just don't get it, do you? Disease is natural. Natural things were put on earth by God for natural purposes. That is why we Strangelovians embrace all diseases, and try to block all science (except for bomb-making science). We need a catastrophe to wipe most humans off planet earth. That way, the few of us down in the mine shafts can restart a new, pure, genetically perfect breed. With eugenics, we'll be able to start a master race. Denialism is the first step. We want rampant disease. We want global warming, ignorance, fear and superstition. It is time for dinosaur old-style humans to be erased. Long live the master race! Long live Clark Baker! Baker is like Slim Pickens riding the nuclear bomb as it is dropped to start the doomsday machine. Yeeee- haa!

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  15. Gosh, I hate to even ask "Anonymous" this but...You realize that different HPV strains have been used to immortalize cells in labs to establish cell lines, right? I mean, the idea that HPV can do this isn't just theoretical. It's been established experimentally. Heck, if you google "HPV immortalize cells" (without the quotes, of course) you can come across a ton of papers exploring the mechanism by which this happens (down to the protein-protein interactions). Yes yes, I know this is all somehow an evil plot by big Pharma to make young women everywhere die/make money/sterilize males/turn women into prostitutes, ect... but really??? Have you not even bothered to look into the research before letting Bachmann and others make up your mind?

    -Poodle Stomper

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  16. In case you're interested, here is a PDF with a summary of some of what we know regarding HPV immortalization of cells. It's pretty fascinating if you understand it.

    -Poodle Stomper

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  17. Don't expect uneducated Denialists to understand any of this. Just look at Clark Baker.

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  18. Clark Baker is losing his mind over at ReThinking AIDS Facebook page! He is trying to defend against HIV Innnocence Project Truth. Unfortunately, instead of addressing the facts and proof that he is a liar, he is only making more outlandish claims! When will he learn? hahaa

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  19. So did you hear, Dr.Bob from Thebody.com passed away from ARV toxicity, when will you losers learn that those drugs are poison. Sad really sad that you ARV denialists are killing people by promoting that stuff.

    http://www.thebody.com/content/64008/remembering-robert-frascino-md.html

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  20. Now Baker is trying to say that Attorney Galen is a liar and is simply not giving Baker the credit he deserves! I thought I had heard it all from him! There is obviously no limit to his imagination: i.e. DENIAL!

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  21. ARV Monitor, so did you hear about Christine Maggiore? When will you losers learn HIV is dangerous?

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  22. Do not bother checking out the ReThinking AIDS facebook page with Clark Baker losing his mind. They took down the entire thread of over 50 comments!! ReThinking AIDS censored the entire communication about Clark Baker and his lies!

    I guess when one of the "heroes" of your bullshit movement is caught in an string of obvious lies, the only way to protect your grand conspiracy theory is to engage in a real conspiracy theory and censor the truth! What a bunch of hypocrites. But I could not be happier. Nothing could have proven me correct than RA hiding the truth!

    And Clark Baker had resorted to saying that Attorney James Galen was lying and was just not giving Baker the credit he deserved! Baker never ceases to amaze me with the depth of his black, black soul!

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  23. As for Dr. Bob, he was a great man who will actually be missed.

    As for the happy, gleeful comment from "ARV Monitor" you should be ashamed. You claim that the "orthodox" are happy when Maggiore, Stokely et al die, (which there is not one shred of evidence for that) and yet you hypocritically post the above comment. You should be ashamed, but that is a human emotion that you do not have.

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  24. ARV Monitor, it's crazy how they tried to make out his death was unrelated to his HIV status because he was on ARV's and an orthodox mouthpiece. But if it's someone like Maggiore they start baying at the full moon that it's all AIDS related from not taking the toxic meds. They're a really fucked up breed apart this AIDS orthodoxy.

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  25. One person either way proves nothing. Millions of people, and a whole lot of other evidence, is fairy conclusive. HIV causes AIDS.

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  26. Did anyone here notice new member "zephr" post over at Q.A?

    http://forums.questioningaids.com/showthread.php?t=7676

    His story is a bit disturbing.After reading Q.A and other denialist websites he stopped using a condom while meeting men for sex from gaydating sites and now he fears for the consequences.He comes from a very religious muslim family and its expected that he marries a woman soon.He is scared of HIV-testing now,knowing that it might be positive after years of bareback sex with other men,and askes Q.A for advice.And not very surprisingly the other members tells him to relax and dont worry.That he could infect the woman he must marry,the innocent part, doesnt seem to worry the members at Q.A much.No,they just continue to ramble about everything else.Why not at least advice the guy to man-up and take a test before he marries,but no,there are no reason for that because the tests are fraud and the virus doesnt excists/cause harm anyway.Shocking!

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  27. There is a certain logic in it. If you believe HIV doesn't exist, why would you advise someone to get tested for it? I'm honestly not sure why "zephr" asked them. Did Magellan ask the Flat Earth Society for advice on his voyage? What would one expect?

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  28. I have been reading some of the posts over at Q.A and if HIV wasn't so serious, I would find the comments by some of the members quite comical. Sadly they are misleading vulnerable folk with their hocus pocus baloney and putting people on a path that is clearly not advisable nor desirable to their health. I believe in free speech but not when it puts people's lives in danger !

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