Despite what AIDS Denialists may say, AIDS Denialism has political ties. The reality is that Peter Duesberg attracts champions of free speech and anti-censorship. That is because the folklore of Peter Duesberg centers on his being censored by science and defunded by the federal government, neither of which is true. Still, he has successfully cultivated the sympathies of the anti-government crowd.
Those of us who follow AIDS Denialism are well aware of the connection between AIDS deniers and Libertarianism. Former college math teacher Rebecca Culshaw came to us through the Lew Rockwell anti-government, anti-war, pro-capitalism website. Libertarian comedian Bill Maher (and by the way, I am a fan) came out in support of the late AIDS denier Christine Maggiore. Other AIDS Deniers like conservative columnist Tom Bethel and venture capitalist Robert Leppo also fall into the Libertarian camp. Of course there are the Clean Hands whistle blowing American Physicians and Surgeons people who publish AIDS deniers in their sham journal. Then you have David Rasnick who fears the NIH, CIA, FBI, DHS, IRS etc. to the point where he lives in exile in the Bahamas. There are several other examples from less known (and less significant) AIDS denier bloggers.
Those of us who follow AIDS Denialism are well aware of the connection between AIDS deniers and Libertarianism. Former college math teacher Rebecca Culshaw came to us through the Lew Rockwell anti-government, anti-war, pro-capitalism website. Libertarian comedian Bill Maher (and by the way, I am a fan) came out in support of the late AIDS denier Christine Maggiore. Other AIDS Deniers like conservative columnist Tom Bethel and venture capitalist Robert Leppo also fall into the Libertarian camp. Of course there are the Clean Hands whistle blowing American Physicians and Surgeons people who publish AIDS deniers in their sham journal. Then you have David Rasnick who fears the NIH, CIA, FBI, DHS, IRS etc. to the point where he lives in exile in the Bahamas. There are several other examples from less known (and less significant) AIDS denier bloggers.
So it did not surprise me to see AIDS Denialists crawl out of the woodwork on former Libertarian Presidential Candidate and US Congressman Ron Paul’s website. It is an amusing read, with connections between Chinese viruses, Peter Duesberg, and natural cures.
A new infectious disease is spreading in large areas of Mainland China. Symptoms are similar to AIDS but it spreads faster between family members, even via bodily fluids like saliva.
[Mr. Lin, Yunnan Resident]:"This disease destroys immunity cells just like AIDS. The lowest amount of immunity cells of some patients is only 200, mine is 400. The doctor couldn't find many antibodies, so he called it 'Fear of AIDS' disease."
Preliminary research shows that patients have symptoms of fatigue, chronic diarrhea, swollen lymph nodes, and weakened immunity. But doctors cannot find any sign of the HIV virus.
[Mr. Xue, Hunan Resident]:"A huge number of people caught the nameless virus but the doctors cannot make a thorough check. So they make a conclusion that it's a 'Fear of AIDS' disease. The symptoms are very much like those of AIDS."
Because the Chinese Ministry of Health doesn't recognize the disease, it has not carried out any investigation. However, patients feel very horrified and sad when they see their family members and friends become infected by coming into contact with their saliva or sweat.
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They have been using chemtrails over there to "influence the weather." And so the story goes. Until we get the chems out of the air, we will not know what is what.
I'll Keep Posting This Link Until You All Get It...Aids caused by some virus is BULLSHIT just like the FED, man made global warming,ect,ect ad nauseum....
I Want To Convey Peter Duesberg Destroyed The HIV…He proved the virus is harmless irrefutably. He was given a grant way back in the beginning of this scam and after 2 years of exhaustive research his results were that the virus was absolutely harmless to humans and the worse you can get if you even manage to pick it up is a very mild flu like symptom,period.
That's when the character assassination started...you have to understand who Duesberg is without a doubt the the one person on the planet that knows more about retro-viruses than anyone. (HIV is a retro-virus and there are around 100 of them in the chain HIV is in that humans get) his forte was studying them throughout his career (over 25 years) at UC Berkley trying to find a link between retro-viruses and cancer. He is the discoverer of the oncogene.
Well to cut to the chase as soon as he came back after the 2 year study and informed everyone that they were wrong his grant/lab was shut down. The person in control of the funding was a bitch named Flossie Wong and she's Robert Gallo's girlfriend the discoverer (hah) of HIV and also the patent holder on the test for HIV.
Duesberg wrote this book long ago and it destroyed causation by HIV.
Basically it's about big pharma money....
There are thousands of Dr's worldwide that know this whole thing is garbage but with the media control there is it's tough. Excellent article by Dr. Kary Mullis
Thanks for the link to the article from Dr. Kary Mullis! That was an eye opener. Looks like they used the HIV=AIDS as a tool to push the acceptance of AZT. Can you say another scam by big pharma?
Dr.Mullis couldn't find any reference 'anywhere' from 'anyone' that proved HIV was the cause of AIDS, and when he told Glaxo he was going to blow the lid off the myth at a conference they invited him to speak at, they decided to revoke his invitation, and instead sent him a check for $6,048.00 for his trouble?
Looks like the real cause of Auto Immune Deficiency Syndrome is nothing more than an overload of viruses/bacteria on the immune system from having to many sexual partners. Makes perfect sense! If you have 20-50-200 partners a year, you're susceptible to every virus/bacteria each of those people might be carrying. If you contract for instance 100-200-300 different viruses/bacteria from all those different people or just by sleeping with one other person who has been with several people, it may overload your immune system and viola! You now have AIDS.
That was a great article Thomas, thanks for sharing! I would suggest anyone living this lifestyle, protect yourself with colloidal silver, or better yet STOP!
Yea, that makes perfect….Yea, that makes perfect sense. Except my brother in law is dying of AIDS and has had a total of 3 partners in the 17 years that I have known him, and he used alternative holistic remedies the entire time.
Conspiracy Theories are an art form.
So how does HIV relate to…So how does HIV relate to AIDS?
I wish I would have heard of this back then-my wonderful Aunt Doris died of AIDS back in 92'.My Aunt suffered a horrible death and if there are people out there exposing this we should help them.
She caught it from a boyfriend who-after we found out she had AIDS-was an ex junkie.
Verry important observation, Thomas. Means vaccinations play a part in spreading disease.
Can Silver kills HIV and AIDS? Yes, it can and does! "Colloidal silver has been shown to kill all one-celled, disease-causing organisms tested — in six minutes or less (over 650 species of bacteria, fungi and viruses have been tested, so far). The silver acts as a catalyst, disabling an enzyme these microbes require for oxygen metabolism. With a basic metabolic function shutdown, the microbes can't mutate and consequently, can't develop resistance to the silver [Exotic Research]."
The above was an excerpt from this article below, read the whole thing, it's damned good!
Yep…I take it regularly.!
One word!...Colloidal Silver :) .... ain't nothing it can't kill ..... Nothing! If it's a virus, it won't last 6 minutes after contact with silver.
Yes…I have read several articles about AIDS patients being cured with the use of CS. Here's a few good articles, you can do some searches and find more testimonial type write ups. http://curezone.com/foods/silver.asp
That's just one, do some searches and you'll find more.
Here are a few links on that…Here are a few links on that subject that I found as well(one of them thanks to our very own Jake Towne)
I wonder if this would be receptive to anti-viral…natural remedies like Samento or Cat's Claw. My friend cured herself of chronic, debilitating Lyme disease with Samento
"According to modern classification of diseases, our medical practice has listed more than 101 of them that are susceptible to treatment with Samento or influenced to an extent unachievable with any of the remedies of the conventional medicine today.
I’ll mention just a few of the successfully treated conditions: hypertension, influenza (which I already spoke about), rhinitis, hay fever, edemas with various origins, herpes, sinusitis, gastrointestinal problems – ulcers, gastritis, colitis, irritable bowels syndrome, constipation, etc., conjunctivitis, urinary infections (including dysuria - difficulty in urinating), hepatitis C, allergies with different etiology, pharyngitis, rheumatoid polyarthritis, fibromyalgia, ischaemic heart disease, stenocardia, cysts, prostatic adenoma, menstrual cycle irregularities, grave and unsusceptible to other treatments hemorrhages, lung emphysema, bronchitis, bronchopneumonia, asthma, involuntary urination, tumors – benign and malignant, endometriosis, chronic fatigue syndrome… The list can be extended further but our trials and observations continue, especially those related to cancer diseases. We have achieved indisputable results in patients in the final stages of different types of cancer (of the uterus, bladder, breast, etc.) – results that proved unattainable with the traditional anticancer therapies: normalization of the tumor markers and the characteristic pathological deviations, restoring of the normal blood values, discontinuing of uncontrolled hemorrhages, removal of the pain that renders unnecessary all the drugs with analgesic properties, etc. All these cases are well illustrated by systematic laboratory and other tests.”
Oh man, they're good for a laugh if nothing else. I almost made it through the whole article but I lost it when colloidal silver came up.
ReplyDeleteSeth, is working on this blog a part of your official work duties? Looking at the post times, you spend a lot of time during normal working hours on it.
ReplyDeleteLuke, if you cannot laugh at them then what good would they be? I agree.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous
My time is 100% committed to preventing HIV infections, improving HIV treatment outcomes, and undoing the social harms of AIDS. My blog falls well within the aims and scope of my job. Plus, it offers an educational tool for psychology students...a sort of laboratory for the psychopathology of AIDS Denial.
We thank you for your contributions.
That's fine Seth, I mean you put whatever spin you want on your NIH funded duties. It's also noble of you to donate your book profits considering you were paid to write it. The amount of paid time you spend travelling the AIDS circuit delivering lectures is again magnaminous. Good on you and thanks for the honesty for once.
ReplyDeleteI take back any inferences of conspiracies, that was truly naive of me, it's all open and above board.
Poodle Stomper, I know you'll be sat there panting in cyber space. Do you also get paid by your employer for your contributions to this and the myriad other blogs you post on?
Geez Anonymous
ReplyDeleteI suppose everyone with a career in research should apologize to you for being paid for our work.
So can you please tell me what I was paid for writing Denying AIDS? You are such a genius. The payment come in the form of royalties..all are being donated. I am surprised you would not know that. AIDS Deniers tend to publish their books in their basements.
Also, can you tell me how much the NIH pays me?? Last time I checked I was being paid by the University of Connecticut?
Did Clark Baker have to apologize when he accepted paychecks from the LAPD while beating up old men?
Stupid is as stupid says.
Seth
ReplyDeleteYou mentioned Clark Baker. I Googled that dude and found his website. WTF?
I see he is into Ann Coulter... the radical Republican Playboy chick!
http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/nucleus/media/21/20061114-playboycoulter.jpg
Is that wild or what?
So he is a Libertarian homophobic Coulter porn guy?
And how does his thing for Coulter sit with Farber and the Penthouse crowd?
Dreaming..
ReplyDeleteFunny!
Bake is really insignificant so I do not pay much attention to him. I hear his website is a total waste of time so I never bother. Why spend time on someone who no one listens to?
"Poodle Stomper, I know you'll be sat there panting in cyber space. Do you also get paid by your employer for your contributions to this and the myriad other blogs you post on?"
ReplyDeleteOops, I must have missed this part (ironically enough because I was doing stuff other than panting in cyber-space). No, I do not get paid to help show how scientifically illiterate denialists are as a whole. I do this for fun and free. My real job is in genetics research completely unrelated to HIV. In fact, my particular department has absolutely nothing to do with HIV either which I'm sure will not sit well with your preconceived notions.
Blah blah blah I get paid to write this blah blah blah.
ReplyDeleteIt's sad you can't see or refuse to acknowledge the paradox in your funding arrangements with the NIH.
Rest assured though, many will.
Your payments from the NIH so far involve upwards of 30 million dollars in grants paid by the NIH to the university on the proviso that you continue your work, therefore you retain your salaried position.
True you don't spend time on someone no one listens to, but your blogsite along with DeShongs and Snout were started in direct response to the publishing of Henry Bauers book which demolishes the HIV/AIDS paradigm quite comprehensively. Such was the fear rippling through the orthodoxy.
Payment for writing denying aids, you did this on company time getting your salary which is also funded indirectly from the NIH.
Everytime you squirm in the quicksand you just go deeper my friend.
Corrupt is as corrupt does.
Blah blah blah I get paid to write this blah blah blah.
ReplyDeleteIt's sad you can't see or refuse to acknowledge the paradox in your funding arrangements with the NIH.
Rest assured though, many will.
Your payments from the NIH so far involve upwards of 30 million dollars in grants paid by the NIH to the university on the proviso that you continue your work, therefore you retain your salaried position.
True you don't spend time on someone no one listens to, but your blogsite along with DeShongs and Snout were started in direct response to the publishing of Henry Bauers book which demolishes the HIV/AIDS paradigm quite comprehensively. Such was the fear rippling through the orthodoxy.
Payment for writing denying aids, you did this on company time getting your salary which is also funded indirectly from the NIH.
Everytime you squirm in the quicksand you just go deeper my friend.
Corrupt is as corrupt does.
Anonymous wrote 4 separate comments. Difficult to hold more than one thought in your head when it is full of crap. I condensed them. So here we go…
ReplyDeleteI admit that I am among the 10% of scientists who receive funding from the NIH. I am so ashamed.
$30 million. Really? Are you sure? I never counted to be honest with you. Damn, you would think I could get my own parking space here. That would be nice. No one has even said thank you. But then, I suppose your paranoid dumbness thinks I get to keep that money. How did I ever let my car payment get this far behind??
You have no idea where my salary comes from, do you. Same as Bauer and Peter...I am a Tenured full professor. I could study Lochness Monsters or Aneuoploidy if I wanted to. The difference would not be measured in my paycheck but in my credibility.
Like PoodleStomper, you are a side time distraction for me. Cool to have a hobby that can actually help save someone's life.
Which Bauer website are you referring to? The one where he tells us how he has encountered big green monsters in Scottish waters or the one where he violates every basic undergraduate level assumption in epidemiology to prove that HIV cannot cause AIDS?
I get them confused..similar homophobic and racist rants. I cannot be sure.
This blog was started just before Denying AIDS was published…just before Christine Maggiore died.
You are right though, Bauer’s book has caused a rippling through AIDS science. It is called laughter.
All I heard rippling throughout the scientific community was laughter, snickering and people saying "WTF?" when they read his crap. I don't think anyone takes Bauer seriously...except you denialists, of course, but then seeing as you'll blindly accept anything that supports your belief, that doesn't say much.
ReplyDeleteSeth, you'd better share some of that 30million with me. It was part of the agreement you signed at the last Pharma-Shill Convention we attended with the Freemasons and the Illuminati last week.
"That is because the folklore of Peter Duesberg centers on his being censored by science and defunded by the federal government, neither of which is true"
ReplyDeleteI am confused. Duesberg is defunded by the government; he hasn't recieved a grant in donkey years and every time he tries to have something published others (including you) pressure to have his paper withdrawn. How can you then say "neither is true"
I mean you can show people an apple and tell them it is an orange but only idiots will buy that. I fear denialism feeds greatly off this kind of doublespeak.
I can say that Duesberg has not been censored by science because he is not censored by science. He has papers recently in Cancer Genet Cytogenet and Cell Oncol. He has been published in Scientific American as recently as 2007. That makes for some interesting censorship. He has not published in AIDS because he has nothing rational to say. You are correct, I am involved in outing AIDS deniers to those who are duped into thinking they are credible. I am also hoping we can shut down the sham journals that present themselves as science.
ReplyDeleteI can also say that Duesberg was not defunded by the NIH because he was not defunded by the NIH. His grants ran out as did his fundable ideas. Check with the NIH website. It is not like everyone is getting funded to do work on Aneuploidy except Peter Duesberg. You cannot just run around saying that there is no genetic basis for any cancer and expect cancer researchers to take you seriously.
By the way, when was the last time Duesberg tried to get an NIH grant?
I believe it was the study where he proposed to get mice high on poppers to see if they get AIDS. A collaborative study with Al-Bayati. I suppose that Harry Haverkos – featured in House of Idiots Movie - who was Associate Director of the National Inst of Drug Abuse was in on the conspiracy to defund Duesberg??
Can you please post a link or any evidence that Duesberg actually lost a funded grant – hence was defunded? That would be helpful.
Easy for Seth to say there's no funding issues, he certainly has no funding issues but then a lot that funding is linked to him running this rant and posting on others.
ReplyDeleteStrange that the only "Study of Denialism" that has ever got any government funding is the HIV/AIDS issue and indeed where are the tenured professors "studying" climate change deniers?
Seth's area of expertise is an artificial construct propped up with government money to protect the status quo. As his friend John Moore said, "This is a war", yes, to protect the AIDS empire built on dodgy science and corrupt practice.
Seth is paid to run this blog, that fact alone negates his credibility on the issue more than any AIDS "denialists" arguments ever could and fall directly in to the definition of a SHILL.
End of Story
Oh dear me! Anonymous, if I posted the unsubstantiated crap you did, I would not post my identity either. Compound your vile ignorance with your Bauer worship and WOW! That's about all I can say to that. You make me too sad to continue.
ReplyDeleteNow, how about you give us your insight into this post. Tell us about Collodial Silver as a cure all! That should be entertaining.
JTD
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ReplyDeleteI truly enjoy when someone with no detectable clue about science starts calling real science "dodgy" and "corrupt". In its own strange way this is a compliment to science everywhere. If someone that backwards calls you corrupt then you surely must be doing something right.
ReplyDeleteIf Seth were being paid for this blog, do you not think there would be advertisements here, you idiot?
ReplyDeleteNow, how about giving some insight into the post here? What are your thoughts on this "AIDS Like Disease"?
JTD