tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post8836469779383594631..comments2024-02-25T14:29:44.021-05:00Comments on Denying AIDS and other oddities: New York Times Reviews AIDS Denialist Crockumentary 'House of Numbers'Seth Kalichmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-57622681866929941522009-10-12T14:47:44.320-04:002009-10-12T14:47:44.320-04:00Just seen another loony's blog review of this ...Just seen another loony's blog review of this film:<br /><br />http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/foye5.html<br /><br />And worse, a respectable ("thinking") right-wing magazine is holding a 'debate' about the film claiming the AIDS epidemic will be over soon ... <br /><br />http://www.spectator.co.uk/shop/events/5402473/spectator-debate-a-world-without-aids.thtmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-29193536322397977222009-09-17T17:10:05.429-04:002009-09-17T17:10:05.429-04:00Just noticed yesterday that one of the film's ...Just noticed yesterday that one of the film's Executive Producers, Martin Penny, has been on the "rethinker" list since July 2007. These are the before and after links from the internet archive. Doesn't that remove even the pretense? Unless they're two different people with the same name. <br /><br />http://web.archive.org/web/20070629184931/http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm<br />http://web.archive.org/web/20070702055910/http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm<br /><br />He's also listed as a sponsor of the ra2009 conference:<br />http://ra2009.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=57TDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-7417783688140123732009-09-10T20:09:58.000-04:002009-09-10T20:09:58.000-04:00JTD
Good stuff on Prostate Cancer.
Very interest...JTD<br /><br />Good stuff on Prostate Cancer. <br />Very interesting.<br />I heard there is evidence that dumb-ass stupidity may be caused by a retrovirus.<br /><br />Snout, I will get the name so you can add it to the list.<br /><br />Let's recap two of the absolute dumbest things I have ever heard, and both of them are right here on this thread…<br /><br />Stress causes AIDS and<br /><br />Down’s Syndrome is a cancer<br /><br /><br />Just to keep me awake through Bill’s idiocy, I have been playing Snout’s Denialist Bingo on this thread…<br /><br />AIDS is a "collection" of old, but serious diseases.<br /><br />The purported new mechanism, a human retrovirus that indirectly kills T-4 cells, is sketchy at best.<br /><br />The antibody test will react to a broad spectrum of diseases <br /><br />AZT is a toxic, all-purpose killer of cells.<br /><br />Gallo is a crook<br /><br />BINGOSeth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-54784001892443536392009-09-10T19:51:05.091-04:002009-09-10T19:51:05.091-04:00Ben said:
"Retroviruses aren't the cause...Ben said:<br /><br /><i>"Retroviruses aren't the cause of many (any?) diseases."</i><br /><br />Gosh, Ben, not even any of these?<br /><br />Bovine immunodeficiency virus<br />Equine infectious anemia virus<br />Feline immunodeficiency virus<br />Puma lentivirus<br />Caprine arthritis encephalitis virus<br />Visna/maedi virus<br />Human immunodeficiency virus 1<br />Human immunodeficiency virus 2<br />Simian immunodeficiency virus<br />Avian leukosis virus<br />Rous sarcoma virus<br />Avian carcinoma Mill Hill virus 2<br />Avian myeloblastosis virus<br />Avian myelocytomatosis virus 29<br />Avian sarcoma virus CT10<br />Fujinami sarcoma virus<br />UR2 sarcoma virus<br />Y73 sarcoma virus<br />Mouse mammary tumor virus<br />Jaagsiekte sheep retrovirus<br />Langur virus<br />Mason-Pfizer monkey virus<br />Squirrel monkey retrovirus<br />Murine leukemia virus<br />Feline leukemia virus<br />Gibbon ape leukemia virus<br />Guinea pig type-C oncovirus<br />Porcine type-C oncovirus<br />Xmrv<br />Finkel-Biskis-Jinkins murine sarcoma virus<br />Gardner-Arnstein feline sarcoma virus<br />Hardy-Zuckerman feline sarcoma virus<br />Harvey murine sarcoma virus<br />Kirsten murine sarcoma virus<br />Moloney murine sarcoma virus<br />Snyder-Theilen feline sarcoma virus<br />Woolly monkey sarcoma virus<br />Viper retrovirus<br />Chick syncytial virus<br />Reticuloendotheliosis virus<br />Trager duck spleen necrosis virus<br />Bovine leukemia virus<br />Primate T-lymphotropic virus<br />Walleye dermal sarcoma virus<br />Walleye epidermal hyperplasia virus<br />Simian foamy virus<br />African green monkey simian foamy virus<br />Macaque simian foamy virus<br />Bovine foamy virus<br />Equine foamy virus<br />Feline foamy virus...??<br /><br />...well, that's a relief.Snoutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-27023322576857242502009-09-10T19:46:50.843-04:002009-09-10T19:46:50.843-04:00Mikey,
I notice that you come here, misquote or ...Mikey,<br /> I notice that you come here, misquote or misuse articles and then leave when proven wrong an awful lot. You do realize that you never addressed your many errors regarding the <a href="http://denyingaids.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-have-no-patience-for-people-who-would_08.html?showComment=1245353293384#c2108735375484695454" rel="nofollow">last paper</a> you tried to cite, right?Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-72303888498719296722009-09-10T18:31:40.814-04:002009-09-10T18:31:40.814-04:00Oh, Ben, plese do not toy with me.
You say that ...Oh, Ben, plese do not toy with me. <br />You say that prostate cancer is not caused by a retro~virus, or at least you don't THINK so! With a statement like that, I will not even ask for a link to your "proof" eventhough I generously gave you this:<br />"a new study that will be published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences this week. Researchers checked for the virus in more than 200 prostate cancer patients and found the virus in 27 percent of the men; those with the most aggressive tumors were most likely to have the virus." <br />The NAS is probably not on your radar. But it carries more intellectual weight than you. And do not let the fact that out of 200+ patients with prostate cancer the virus was found in 27 percent give you pause. And not just any ol' 27%, but the 27% with the "most agressive tumors"!!<br />Next, you say that retroviruses do not cause any disease. Seth, I know you may not call him stupid, dumb or idiot, but I shall! <br />Try this on for size, Ben:<br />http://web.uct.ac.za/depts/mmi/jmoodie/hiv2.html<br />Ever heard of T~Cell Leukemia/Lymphoma? OR<br />Tropical spastic paraparesis. Which is an aggressive non-demyelinating spastic paraparesis<br />It's a really shitty neurological degenerative disease. MOre info here:<br />http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/tropical_spastic_paraparesis/tropical_spastic_paraparesis.htm<br />Here's more info on diseases caused by retroviruses, Ben:<br />http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119332111/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0<br />Retroviruses have been implicated as causative agents for a range of diseases including neoplasia, autoimmunity and immunosuppression.<br />Yeah, Ben, even autoimmune disease. Do you know what that is? It is what you have just displayed where your foot just attacked your mouth!!<br />Don't mess with a Queen as you never know what kind of a day she just had! Today is my birthday and it's been great, so just imagine the ass~whoopin' I would have given you on a bad day!!<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-13832660345143349722009-09-10T15:20:43.028-04:002009-09-10T15:20:43.028-04:00Mickey
Let me clarify something.
If I have ever s...Mickey<br />Let me clarify something.<br /><br />If I have ever said that AIDS Deniers are dumb, I take that back. AIDS Deniers are not all dumb. Some are, but most are not. <br /><br />Duesberg, Mullis, Mbeki, Maggiore.. these people were/are not dumb. <br /><br />AIDS Denialism is a mental health problem. Likely a constellation of mental health problems involving narcissistic personality disorder for some, psychopathy for some, wishful maladjusted coping for others, and focused delusional disorder for still others.<br /><br />Very smart people can refute reality.<br /><br />Denialists can believe things that are obviously dumb to the rest of us. That does not make them dumb. <br /> <br />Like Stress causing AIDS, for example. That is just a dumb-ass belief. Please provide the name of the researcher from the mainstream orthodoxy who did the work on stress that you are referring to. I know stress impacts the immune system, but lets not confuse feeling run down with AIDS.<br /><br />I should stop now, as I am about to call you dumb.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-15181231142896169582009-09-10T13:03:59.534-04:002009-09-10T13:03:59.534-04:00I just noticed that you listed "Stress causes...I just noticed that you listed "Stress causes AIDS" as one of your list of: "the dumbest things ever uttered by humanity."<br /><br />So sorry about posting that dumb as mainstream orthodoxy study on stress that was recently done by your fellow psychologists, Seth. Perhaps you are going to have to label them too as dumb-ass denialists along with the rest of us dumb-ass denialists.Mikeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-40610399308959686292009-09-10T12:58:34.759-04:002009-09-10T12:58:34.759-04:00And it only took them 25 years to figure out the o...And it only took them 25 years to figure out the obvious...... <br /><br />Perceived stress is associated with CD4 cell decline in men and <br />women living with HIV/AIDS<br /> <br />E. REMOR, F. J. PENEDO, B-J. SHEN, & N. SCHNEIDERMAN <br /><br />Universidad Autonoma de Madrid, Spain, and University of Miami, USA<br /><br />AIDS Care, Februar y 2007; 19(2): 215 219<br /><br />http://www.uam.es/otros/PSPDLab/PDF/Remor%20et%20al%20_%20AIDS%20Care%202007%20vol%2019_2_215-219.pdfMikeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-54780770713599858992009-09-10T08:05:38.494-04:002009-09-10T08:05:38.494-04:00"Yeah, that's why another retrovirus has ..."Yeah, that's why another retrovirus has been linked to prostate cancer."<br /> <br />"Prostate Cancer does not really exist. That lump in your pants just means you're happy to see me!"<br /><br />Hey Todd,<br /><br />Yes, prostate cancer exists, Dumb-ass -- but CAUSED by a retrovirus?!?! I think not.<br /><br />Have you heard of the phrase, "Going to the well, once too often?"<br /><br />Memo to Todd: Retroviruses aren't the cause of many (any?) diseases.Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-83843424895526389082009-09-10T07:57:09.142-04:002009-09-10T07:57:09.142-04:00Ben,
Many diseases defy our ability to produce ...Ben,<br /> Many diseases defy our ability to produce vaccines. Syphilis and malaria are just two. Are you claiming these are bogus, too? Wanna take a stab at how long its been since the discovery of syphilis? Its been a heck of a lot longer than 25 years and still no vaccine. Is it fraud or simply that some organisms are adapted to evade our immune systems? Which seems more likely?Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-45757882497315765692009-09-10T05:27:03.993-04:002009-09-10T05:27:03.993-04:00Oh, poor Ben!
"Bogus human retrovirus..."...Oh, poor Ben!<br />"Bogus human retrovirus..."? <br />Yeah, that's why another retrovirus has been linked to prostate cancer. <br />Prostate Cancer does not really exist. That lump in your pants just means you're happy to see me!<br />http://dissidents4dumbees.blogspot.com/2009/09/prostate-cancer-and-retrovirus.html<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-80245865442371053512009-09-09T23:40:12.243-04:002009-09-09T23:40:12.243-04:00The problem, of course, is that your crooked buddy...The problem, of course, is that your crooked buddy, Gallo, pimped out these bogus human retroviruses, failed to produce a vaccine (25 years and countin!) and then, Plan C, had Burroughs-Welcome pull toxic AZT of their shelf of non-used chemical compounds.<br /><br />Why can't you guys face facts?Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-57050078182360572502009-09-09T20:18:05.410-04:002009-09-09T20:18:05.410-04:00Priceless. I love how one member says:
"Ma...Priceless. I love how one member says:<br /> <br />"<i>Man oh man, there's that word 'conspiracy' again, must have read it at least 3 times in that schedule. I guess if you can't get your science right and don't want any debate about it, all you have to do is label your opposition as 'conspiracy nuts'.</i>"<br /><br />which is followed 2 posts later by accusation of conspiracy to silence denialists by Truth84 who says (without providing proof of course):<br /><br />"<i>I noticed right away how after a string of speakers (one-way communication) drawn out over hours, they finally have a Q&A session and a "discussion" at the very end. It was also noticable how the Q&A session and "discussion" time blocks were very short. <b>These are not coincidences. They do this to stifle legitimate discussion and debate.</b></i>" (my emphasis)<br /><br />Yep. All those speakers and presentation and the only logical conclusion is not that there just may not be enough time for unlimited Q&A but rather that it is to oppress denialists. Oh yeah, no conspiracy theorists amongst the denialists.Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-85526180665669659832009-09-09T05:10:52.150-04:002009-09-09T05:10:52.150-04:00Regarding the Harvard Symposium on Denialism:
They...Regarding the Harvard Symposium on Denialism:<br />They better watch out, the intellects at AME are planning a riot...well, an idiot riot. <br />http://forums.aidsmythexposed.com/main-forum/5850-come-one-come-all-all-dissidents-invited.html<br />Wanna bet they're all talk and no action? Can you imagine the high caliber of people the Harvard Symposium will attract? And then imagine the toothless wonders of AME converging! <br />OH, it would be heaven!<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-61564042522378994592009-09-08T02:31:32.418-04:002009-09-08T02:31:32.418-04:00I was thinking about buying into the discussion un...I was thinking about buying into the discussion until I saw Bill's assertion that Down's syndrome is a type of cancer... not really much you can say to that.<br /><br />I wouldn't waste too much time with the common denialist argumentoid that <i>"AIDS is a syndrome, not a disease"</i>. It's a false dichotomy, because they are not mutually exclusive categories.<br /><br />A syndrome in medicine is simply a group of phenomena such as symptoms and signs that tend to occur together, suggesting a common aetiology, and which alert the physician to look for other indicators characteristic of the syndrome.<br /><br />A disease is an abnormal physical state or process. Both terms, syndrome and disease, can be applied to AIDS, which is the name given to a particular disease of the immune system. <br /><br />Likewise when Bill says "AIDS is a collection of old, but serious diseases" he's making the elementary semantic error of confusing a signified with its signifiers. AIDS is a single disease of the immune system: the collection of <i>AIDS defining</i> or <i>AIDS-indicating</i> infections and tumors are signifiers of that immune system disease, not the immune system disease itself.<br /><br />The fact that under some (usually uncommon or obvious) circumstances diseases like PCP or KS or CMV retinitis can indicate immune system diseases other than AIDS is not a valid argument that AIDS doesn't exist as a distinct disease or clinical entity. Cough and breathlessness can signify pneumonia: the fact they can also signify heart failure doesn't mean that pneumonia doesn't exist.Snoutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-64292836285951841942009-09-07T12:52:53.182-04:002009-09-07T12:52:53.182-04:00All true... Except no red carpet.. Would be too sy...All true... Except no red carpet.. Would be too symbolic of AIDS. <br />Will let you know if I see pics.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-61419283378567499792009-09-07T11:34:00.991-04:002009-09-07T11:34:00.991-04:00Seth,
What is this about the NY Premiere of "...Seth,<br />What is this about the NY Premiere of "House of Numbnuts" (gettng back to the original post) was not well attended? And what is this about a Red Carpet? And Ely and Baker were there? Any pics of the formal moo~moo Baker wore?<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-43691348510584307362009-09-07T11:29:26.173-04:002009-09-07T11:29:26.173-04:00Come on, guys and gals, just because Bill rides th...Come on, guys and gals, just because Bill rides the short bus, does not mean he has Down's Syndrome!<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-66439476534575882492009-09-07T10:11:23.054-04:002009-09-07T10:11:23.054-04:00Spend a couple years of your life reading and list...Spend a couple years of your life reading and listening to this AIDS Denialism crap and you think you have heard the dumbest things ever uttered by humanity.<br /><br />The CIA created AIDS.<br /><br />Show me the one study….<br /><br />HIV tests from 10 years ago do not equal AIDS cases so HIV does not cause AIDS.<br /><br />HIV has never been isolated.<br /><br />Science by press conference…<br /><br />Population growth in Africa means AIDS is scam.<br /><br />Drug companies are poisoning gays and Blacks.<br /><br />No genetic cause of any cancer.<br /><br />Stress causes AIDS.<br /><br />Christine Maggiore died from watching Law and Order SVU.<br /><br />Loch Ness Monsters are more likely to exist than HIV.<br /><br />Cleaning the colon can cure AIDS.<br /><br />Bill, Congratulations! Placing Down’s Syndrome in the same context as cancer because they both involve chromosomal abnormalities sets a whole new standard. I only hope your fellow AIDS Deniers can live up to it!Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-88206436010025348642009-09-07T09:26:57.775-04:002009-09-07T09:26:57.775-04:00Any scientific data validating that detection of a...<i>Any scientific data validating that detection of antibodies equates with presence of virus? Doubt it. Too much cross-reaction.</i><br /><br />Actually there are. Have you searched for these or just swallowed the denialist line that there aren't? I'd be happy to provide the references if you can answer that little question (oh and the syndrome vs disease explanation).Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-23343410136044695772009-09-07T09:15:38.204-04:002009-09-07T09:15:38.204-04:00Well I think it should be obvious that Down's ...Well I think it should be obvious that Down's Syndrome is a fraud. Why, Bill, is it that ALL the supposed "symptoms" of this fraudulent disease can also occur in people im the absence of trisomy 21!? Doesn't that invalidate the whole Trisomy 21 = Down Syndrome hypothesis? Some "patients" don't even have a third chromosome 21 but rather just a chunk of it attached to another chromosome! INCONSISTENCIES! Well I think the truth is obvious! <br /><br />Please be on the lookout for my movie expose of this fraud: "Shanty of Digits". It won't be a denial film based on a lack of science, cherry picking, and quoting out of context mind you. All I will do there is ask questions on my personal journey to answer how this terrible medical blunder could have been allowed to occur.Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-54502684700879443822009-09-07T08:22:07.160-04:002009-09-07T08:22:07.160-04:00"Why is this guy Bill so angry?"
Legal ..."Why is this guy Bill so angry?"<br /><br />Legal career not going so well? Didn't get a thank you on the new Duesberg paper? Just guesses. Or maybe he knows how much House of Numbers cost to make.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-59183843329186333152009-09-07T03:09:53.039-04:002009-09-07T03:09:53.039-04:00Down's Syndrome is a form of genetic aneuploid...<b>Down's Syndrome is a form of genetic aneuploidy -- and also it is a form of cancer, but not in the traditional sense.</b><br /><br />Fail.<br /><br />Down's Syndrome actually protects against cancer.<br /><br />http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090520140359.htm<br /><br /><b>What a joke. You don't know squat about science.</b><br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect\Chris Noblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-78116448050102588372009-09-07T01:43:54.562-04:002009-09-07T01:43:54.562-04:00Bill
You are the AIDS Denier and you call me a fo...Bill<br /><br />You are the AIDS Denier and you call me a fool?<br />Did someone say projection?<br /><br />OK Bill, Show me one published study that proves trisomy 21 causes cognitive deficits. <br /><br />You say Down's Syndrome is a ‘genetic disease’. Really? Show me one scientific study that isolates the gene that causes Down's Syndrome.<br /><br />If Down’s both a Syndrome and a disease, it should be fun to hear you explain syndromes vs. diseases.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.com