tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post7452293459888528614..comments2024-02-25T14:29:44.021-05:00Comments on Denying AIDS and other oddities: AIDS Denialism in the Courts: Science is a Better Defense than StupiditySeth Kalichmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comBlogger124125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-82768352779724220702013-01-12T23:56:35.505-05:002013-01-12T23:56:35.505-05:00Well, the adjective quisling is also named after a...Well, the adjective quisling is also named after a person, and it is lower case. But you appear to be right. Irrelevant for correcting grammer 4 months after the comment was written, but right.notElonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04857651031212875523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-80904767413544535302013-01-12T07:35:45.630-05:002013-01-12T07:35:45.630-05:00Goodness gracious Snout; I thought you were suppos...Goodness gracious Snout; I thought you were supposed to be an educated man - surely "kafkaesque" should be "Kafkaesque"? Shame on you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-55250165579016604092013-01-02T10:34:20.874-05:002013-01-02T10:34:20.874-05:00A Happy New Year to all from Kralc!A Happy New Year to all from Kralc!Kralc Rekabnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-18349689585303203612012-12-28T01:49:49.238-05:002012-12-28T01:49:49.238-05:00We at the KKK salute Farber- she is right! Pay no ...We at the KKK salute Farber- she is right! Pay no attention to the truth! AIDS is just a made up fantasy. If we clap three times it will go away...<br /><br />No need for science. Just imagination and myth... it worked during the dark ages.. the truth barrier is tailor made for the good ol times. Death! Plague! The KKK can't wait.Forget the truth!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-61595910514622483292012-12-25T23:56:50.303-05:002012-12-25T23:56:50.303-05:00I congratulate Farber for her honesty in naming &...I congratulate Farber for her honesty in naming "the truth barrier." From the beginning, she claims that the "truth" is a barrier to getting to a deeper significance. Obviously, the mystic significance she seeks transcends the truth.. while we mortal scientists are humbly grasping facts and mere truth.<br /><br />How does she transcend truth to reach the mystic nirvana? Meditation? Special light therapy?<br /><br />The simple truth is good enough for me... and it would have been good enough for Karri Stokely and millions of others that the simple truth could have saved. Most people do well to respect the truth barrier.Truth is a barriernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-90462589960232130262012-12-25T20:27:49.636-05:002012-12-25T20:27:49.636-05:00There is an interesting thread on the Facebook Pag...There is an interesting thread on the Facebook Pagge about how to talk to others about your AIDS Denial. The three basic techniques are well known by now, pretend there is a controversy and that there are prominent scientists on both sides, attempt to portray yourself as an expert, and proclaim your belief in free speech. But the revealing comment is <br />"I avoid as many opportunities as possible. Why get barely one sentence out and find yourself getting tarred 'n feathered and tied to a tree trunk and run out of town? But it's fucking unbearable to listen to "HIV-AIDS chit chat" about "meds", "side effects", and personal experiences regarding "best/worst" combinations thereof, etc. I just can't hold up under that shit knowing what I know."<br /><br />Sounds like laypeople are starting to catch on about how crazy denialists actually are.notElonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04857651031212875523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-63690883913640323712012-12-25T11:08:35.588-05:002012-12-25T11:08:35.588-05:00No. Celia won't post that. Logic gets in the w...No. Celia won't post that. Logic gets in the way of Denialism. She is whacko, like Klarkie. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-83415509373645985322012-12-25T11:04:53.454-05:002012-12-25T11:04:53.454-05:00Yep- when I want to learn about something scientif...Yep- when I want to learn about something scientific, I turn to a fired ex-cop with no credibility and education and a failed "journalist". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-71946272607430484392012-12-24T23:55:34.523-05:002012-12-24T23:55:34.523-05:00Celia Farber has written a post at her TruthBarrie...Celia Farber has written a post at her TruthBarrier site in support of Clark Baker's HIV Innocence Group. Specifically she writes about his latest case: Yvonne Nicole Andrews. Below is the comment I posted at her site. It will be interesting to see if she even allows the comment and even more interesting if she actually answers my comment. If she truly believes in Mr. Baker and his credibility, she will not be afraid of my comment.<br /><br />Here is my comment:<br />It would be wonderful and much more credible if Mr. Baker would post court documents, court transcripts and judgments in the cases he has won. His website is lacking this type of information. Can he please post this type of supporting documentation for these cases?<br /><br />For example, in this case you mention regarding Ms. Andrews, you state that all four men she was accused of sleeping with tested HIV negative. Was this a factor in her release? If Mr. Baker shows that the testing is fallible, then why would you mention that the men tested negative? It would seem this would be inconsequential to the case. However, if negative HIV test results for the men were a factor in her release, then there is a bit of a disconnect in logic. It is these types of inconsistencies, as well as Mr. Bakers reticence in posting court documentation, transcripts and judgments that raise questions of OMSJ credibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-26545417162338958932012-12-24T16:47:25.036-05:002012-12-24T16:47:25.036-05:00Baker once again proves his pure genius!!!! He is ...Baker once again proves his pure genius!!!! He is now a biologist! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!<br /><br />"Baker believes that he has a “unification theory” that would resolve the differences between the Duesberg position (retrovirus exists but is harmless) with the Perth position (no proof exists for existence of a retrovirus.) (Details of this will emerge over time, and not in this article.)" - from Celia "Attention-Whore" Farber's latest post.Kralc Rekabnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-66148603748739423862012-12-24T11:02:57.939-05:002012-12-24T11:02:57.939-05:00Questioning AIDS group is "dancing on the gra...Questioning AIDS group is "dancing on the grave" of Spencer Cox. Funny how they accuse us of this when one of them dies and then they turn around and do it.<br /><br />Of course, they are not giving much credence to the news that Mr. Cox had been doing Crystal Meth on and off for years and had been for quite a while before he died. But they don't want to admit that meth may have had more to do with his pneumonia death than anything else. If they don't acknowledge it, it must not be important.<br /><br />Also, reports show Mr. Cox stopped taking his meds months before his death along with the meth usage. Too bad the dissidents don't want to acknowledge all the facts that worked together in such an unfortunate conclusion. Instead they want to blame the ARVs. Typical. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-37844142785401884382012-12-17T18:23:13.537-05:002012-12-17T18:23:13.537-05:00There is no completely legitimate other viewpoint....There is no completely legitimate other viewpoint. There is no slightly legitimate other viewpoint. That HIV exists is a fact, just like the world is approximately round, the moon is not made of green cheese, 2+2 = 4, evolution is real. These are all facts because I can demonstrably show they are true, and we have. There is indeed something very wrong with divided views on these subjects. Namely, the people who believe 2 + 2 = 6 or that HIV-1 does not cause AIDS are not living in reality. There is no and can be no debate on that. And when someone teaches you 2 + 2 = 6, or worse that you should get off your lifesaving drugs and take their olive oil and cleansers instead, they are pulling you out of reality. And in the case of AIDS, that will kill you. This is not theoretical. <a href="http://www.aidstruth.org/denialism/dead_denialists" rel="nofollow">Duesberg's alternate reality has killed plenty of his associates already. </a> <br /><br />You want proof of reality? In the case of HIV, I can statistically show that pretty much everybody who died of AIDS, and was tested for HIV, was HIV+. Meanwhile, not everybody with AIDS used poppers, not everybody with AIDS took AZT, and not everybody with AIDS had a crappy diet. Even if it were so that everybody with AIDS had one of these three conditions, Duesberg never explained why three different things would sometimes lead to the same end, selective CD4+ T Cell depletion. In fact it is very hard to see at all how a toxin could be that discriminatory. <br /><br />But a virus that infects CD4+ cells obviously is. We can isolate such a virus in the blood of AIDS patients. We can see it infect CD4+ cells in a testtube. We can visualize an infected cell budding this virus. We can give drugs targeting the replication of the virus, including AZT, and show that statistically they prolong the life of patients with AIDS and that, statistically, they delay the onset of AIDS. We can follow the progression of CD4+ cells in a patient from the onset of infection with this particular virus to the onset of AIDS. This evidence is SO OVERWHELMINGLY CONVINCING that when several of Duesberg's associates refused to take the drugs and got AIDS, they decided to take them in a last ditch effort to save their lives. <br /><br />In order to even attempt to argue HIV does not cause AIDS, or worse that HIV does not exist, you must argue with 30 years of hard evidence and data. Not surprisingly, the only way to argue this is to ignore the data, resort to loony conspiracy theories, or both. And since the same types of evidence that show HIV exists and causes AIDS is used to show that other diseases exist and cause illness, it is no surprise that most of these have begun to deny other pieces of reality. Polio does not exist, and there are millions of paralyzed children every year being covered up by the US government. Syphilis does not exist. Hep B and C do not exist. Tuberculosis is illusionary. Lyme disease is a CIA conspiracy. The whole of the last 200 years of science is all forgery, and we need to go back to bloodletting and purges. Yes, there are AIDS deniers who believe all those things. No, it is not me or Seth who is living in a cult, it is them and probably you too. notElonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04857651031212875523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-45012385303988591352012-12-15T02:20:49.068-05:002012-12-15T02:20:49.068-05:00You people sound like a cult with your terms like ...You people sound like a cult with your terms like "denialists" and "dissenters". There is nothing wrong with divided views on any subject, in fact it's healthy to bring up alternative theories. From what I read of Duesbergs articles on aids they had completely legitimate viewpoints with facts backing them up. Now, I have no opinion on whether or not he's right, though I'm inclined to side against people who act the way you people do. However, why not just refute his points instead of talking around the subject every single time?<br /><br />The way he is addressed on sites like these are ridiculous. Whilst he might be wrong on whether or not HIV causes aids, he is clearly a very bright scientist with good ideas in other areas. He was also completely correct about AZT being used as "medicine" and how it caused a LOT of deaths. <br /><br />The amount of fanaticism here is honestly ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-61138536777825502002012-12-13T19:45:17.587-05:002012-12-13T19:45:17.587-05:00Cornelius has posted at RA facebook about this com...Cornelius has posted at RA facebook about this comment. He thinks the main jest of my comment is that his candida infection is probably a result of his having HIV.<br /><br />Actually, the most interesting part of my comment is that he is taking IV Diflucan but he chose to basically ignore that and focused on the myriad of "natural" therapies. Buddy, it's the Diflucan that is the reason you will probably get over the candida infection and nothing else. That is if the HIV is not so far advanced that your immune system is not shot and you go further downhill. Karri Stokely comes to mind. Truthy McTruthensteinhttp://www.hivinnocenceprojecttruth.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-47393644301619255302012-12-08T22:11:41.898-05:002012-12-08T22:11:41.898-05:00BREAKING NEWS:
Here is the way Clarkie gets his &q...BREAKING NEWS:<br />Here is the way Clarkie gets his "cases":<br /><br />He has teamed up with a sleazy lawyer in Alabama, Baron Coleman.<br />If you notice, pretty much EVERY case OMSJ is "involved" in has Baron Coleman attached to it. It looks like they are doing this scam together:<br /><br />Baron Coleman<br />http://hubbardcoleman.com/attorneys/g-baron-coleman-2/<br />info@hubbardcoleman.com<br />418 Scott Street<br />P.O. Box 781<br />Montgomery, Alabama 36101-0781<br /><br />334.832.1001 (p)<br />334.832.1002 (f)Art Vandeleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-24144678195684396872012-12-08T21:25:34.567-05:002012-12-08T21:25:34.567-05:00We all know that CB has committed serious violatio...We all know that CB has committed serious violations. The time has come for serious legal action.<br /><br />AIDS denialism has resulted in real deaths. 300,000 Africans alone died from denialism. Karri Stokely, all the other CB clients did not have to die.<br /><br />These are real human lives. Now is the time for serious legal action. Even more important, Denialism is the microcosm of Denialism of science that has infected our society and is killing our country. Denial of evolution, of climate change, of vaccines.... you name it.<br /><br />Our country cannot move forward until we as citizens base all decisions based on facts.<br /><br />CB is the most extensive illustration that Denialism kills. The time has come to take serious action.<br /><br />Please gather all evidence. Send it to Seth. He will know where to send it. Effective legal action is about to commence.TIme for Serious Actionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-28311140255290947802012-12-03T23:46:27.600-05:002012-12-03T23:46:27.600-05:00The KKK is pleased to announce Klarkie strikes aga...The KKK is pleased to announce Klarkie strikes again! He is hacking into everyone's Komputers! Go, Klarkie go!<br /><br />Yes, honest debate gets you no where. Terrorism and crime is the way to win the debate. <br /><br />K'mon Klark! You Kan do much better! Ramp up! Put out reward posters! Get dirty!<br /><br />You will never be Kaught by the law! Go for it! The KKK salutes your Kriminal enterprise!<br /><br />Your Klients and Komrades and Victims will never Katch on! Keep violating the law. This is the KKK tradition!Klown Kop Klarkie strikes again!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-43868202585887541632012-12-03T22:36:17.863-05:002012-12-03T22:36:17.863-05:00Even without the fact that you can't explain a...Even without the fact that you can't explain away the pictures of a non-existent virus or how drugs meant to cure a non-disease that you guys don't suffer from are always your last ditch resort and obviously seem somewhat effective, your "research" is so mind-bogglingly dumb, and you guys are so irascible and immature that your insanity speaks for itself. Yes that is how we promote learning, by well, promoting learning and not snake oil, conspiracy theories, and quackery.<br /><br />As for this new research bombshell of yours, what is it this time? Is that G-Maf yoghurt cure-all coming out? Cured another patient with magnesium and Italian food only to have them tragically relapse from drugs they weren't taking? Have you seen the Loch Ness Monster or Glowing Raccoons yet?notElonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04857651031212875523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-66905617395209730772012-12-02T18:57:18.454-05:002012-12-02T18:57:18.454-05:00This is interesting: Someone named Cornelius at RA...This is interesting: Someone named Cornelius at RA facebook has said that he has Candida and has listed several therapies his doctor put him on like krill oil, essential oils, glutathione blah blah blah. Cornelius is very proud that he found a doc that "is not pushing toxic meds..." OH, and the very last thing Cornelius mentions is IV Diflucan. I guess Cornelius' doctor was smart enough to throw that one in at the end so oh Cornelius would think it was some other "natural med" and not the Pharma made antifungal drug most commonly prescribed for Candida. Oh, and by the way, Cornelius, a young "healthy" person like you really should not have a Candida infection. There might actually be something to this HIV thing afterall!!Truthy McTruthensteinhttp://www.hivinnocenceprojecttruth.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-68501682117949671662012-12-02T08:08:04.479-05:002012-12-02T08:08:04.479-05:00Just love how whenever we post something that clea...Just love how whenever we post something that clearly shows what trash your science is you simply refuse to publish it, is this what you call "Science", is this how you promote learning? censorship and cherry picking what you want. Oh jeez I just described peer reviewed scientific papers in one.<br />You lot are currently presiding over the biggest medical scam in history, but like all these little scams the truth will eventually come out, it always does and you're delusional thinking it wont.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-57693470061346516452012-11-29T23:58:02.259-05:002012-11-29T23:58:02.259-05:00Hey Klarkie,
Why are you so hot and bothered? You...Hey Klarkie,<br /><br />Why are you so hot and bothered? You always said science bores you. You don't like facts. Klark Klaims he hates truthies!<br /><br />That's what is great about the KKK. We are you! Yes, we are exactly like Bauer- we are copying his sense of humor! You have asked us to adopt your ways, and we agree! Down with science. Up with Komedy!<br /><br />Yes, my pretties. 300,000 excess deaths in South Africa. Klark Kan't handle the Truth. So we will join Klark in his lying lynching ways. How many of Klark's Klients have died from AIDS?<br /><br />So Klark- don your white hood. The KKK salutes you!Lighten up! Join the KKK!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-286059566289817472012-11-29T23:41:00.609-05:002012-11-29T23:41:00.609-05:00Anon (Klarkie) above:
Where has the proper scienc...Anon (Klarkie) above:<br /><br />Where has the proper science about AIDS been debunked? On Klown Kop Klarkie's bloggie? Kralc Rekabnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-88875346927807856022012-11-29T09:15:54.374-05:002012-11-29T09:15:54.374-05:00Klown Kop Klarkie
It's good to see this blog ...Klown Kop Klarkie<br /><br />It's good to see this blog typically and steadily going the way of D4D, Reckless Endangerment and AIDSTRUTH, basically becoming extinct through the collective weight of it's own rubbish.<br /><br />They say imitation is the best form of flattery, so KKK really must be a fan of Bauer who did the Kalichmans Komical Kapers to death several years ago. But then that's the whole issue with the orthodoxy, you have nothing new to add, having been debunked at every juncture, you simply resort to child like behaviour.<br /><br />Not surprising though, Seth has lost interest in this blog and subject, having found himself another lucrative funding source through the Gates Foundation. He should be able to restock his Canape Larder better than ever. <br /><br />Before you attempt to debate, you should learn to spell the word first, moron. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-29782631772691780052012-11-29T07:07:44.300-05:002012-11-29T07:07:44.300-05:00I would not so much call me cocky Non Elon, as I w...I would not so much call me cocky Non Elon, as I would call me completely ambivalent to the plight to of the denialists these days. <br /><br />You and snout are perhaps better human beings than I am, in that you see the fact that these delusional folks exist as some kind of failure on the part of the scientific community to adequately convey our findings to the lay person. In their view, we speak an arcane and impregnable language all in an conspiratorial attempt to confuse them. This disconnect between science and quackery will never be bridged in my view. The difference is, these days, you guys still seem to care, and I just don't anymore. <br /><br />Its not my job to save the world, and I have more than enough on my plate to keep me occupied for two lifetimes. As such, I have simply written them off and moved on. I would suggest you do the same. That is my take, for what it is worth. Ivory Towerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18089752970489843550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-15849832977038867302012-11-27T16:29:54.449-05:002012-11-27T16:29:54.449-05:00You're overreacting, big time. You admit that ...You're overreacting, big time. You admit that you are OCD. You should get professional mental help because anything that is "ruining your life" needs to be addressed. And HIV should not ruin your life. IF you happened to become HIV+ it is a treatable and manageable virus. Truthy McTruthensteinhttp://www.hivinnocenceprojecttruth.comnoreply@blogger.com