tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post1135436968102175467..comments2024-02-25T14:29:44.021-05:00Comments on Denying AIDS and other oddities: Is AIDS Denialism a Cult?Seth Kalichmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-30330105327299569512010-08-16T06:13:16.250-04:002010-08-16T06:13:16.250-04:00"Guess dissidents have to beg funds, unlike y...<i>"Guess dissidents have to beg funds, unlike you well paid pharmasluts."</i><br /><br />No, Clark, get with the program already. Brent Leung isn't a "dissident". He's a neutral independent film maker "just asking questions". <br /><br />Remember?Snouthttp://snoutworld.blogspot.com/2009/12/more-lies-from-brent-leung.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-90430612816287931172010-08-16T06:01:53.109-04:002010-08-16T06:01:53.109-04:00Probably more intelligent than the HIV voodoo doct...Probably more intelligent than the HIV voodoo doctors out there though.Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14179767480289513138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-11873123089998360202010-08-15T17:05:09.913-04:002010-08-15T17:05:09.913-04:00CLARK CAN NOW CLAIM HE IS A "DOCTOR"!!!!...CLARK CAN NOW CLAIM HE IS A "DOCTOR"!!!! This is the guy that denialists rely on!!!<br /><br />http://www.theonion.com/articles/im-not-one-of-those-fancy-collegeeducated-doctors,11237/Kralc Rekabhttp://google.com/profiles/clarkwarrenbakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-57629597646166903442010-08-15T13:51:11.755-04:002010-08-15T13:51:11.755-04:00No - DENIALISTS have to beg for money because they...No - DENIALISTS have to beg for money because they are conspiracy-theory-loons that project insanity. At least Bergman has a PhD unlike the proclaimed leaders of the denialists who tend to be fired traffic cops with no college education.<br />HAHAHAHHA!!! Denialists make me laugh all the time...Kralc Rekabhttp://google.com/profiles/clarkwarrenbakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-13034710544596240982010-08-13T00:09:29.471-04:002010-08-13T00:09:29.471-04:00Guess dissidents have to beg funds, unlike you wel...Guess dissidents have to beg funds, unlike you well paid pharmasluts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-27426916917533790182010-08-13T00:08:41.685-04:002010-08-13T00:08:41.685-04:00What is Jeanne Bergmans' Phd in?What is Jeanne Bergmans' Phd in?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-37352514764106035482010-08-10T15:41:06.978-04:002010-08-10T15:41:06.978-04:00There's a $25,000 grant to Brent Leung listed ...There's a $25,000 grant to Brent Leung listed on the Rethinking AIDS 990 tax form from 2006, it's available on Guidestar with free registration.NMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-698385968132104922010-08-10T10:11:59.091-04:002010-08-10T10:11:59.091-04:00Do not forget begging. As the Rolling Stones, the...Do not forget begging. As the Rolling Stones, the Temptaions and even TLC sang:<br />"I ain't too proud to beg."<br /><br />Farber duped her readers out of $450. Baker begs for "donations" (which is really funny since he lives a multimillion dollar home...of course his "woman" owns that), Crowe begs at RA.com.<br /><br />Also, they make money thru Fraudulent activities like playing up the disease they do not believe in to bilk the U.S. taxpayers out of money, ala Karri Stokely, Jonathan Barnett and others at QA.com via Social Security Disabiity.<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-39268796546265846472010-08-10T00:53:33.062-04:002010-08-10T00:53:33.062-04:00What I would like to know is where the denialists ...<i>What I would like to know is where the denialists get their funding. They are are such a small group yet can produce documentaries such as House of Numbers, Aids Inc etc - as well as get their message into some main stream channels.</i><br /><br />Anthony Brink (who has fallen out with the "tumbling farting clowns" as he calls the Board of Rethinking AIDS) has published excerpts of the minutes of various RA board meetings.<br /><br />Among them is this gem from 11th June 2006:<br /><br />"Bob Leppo moved that RA board authorities authorize the RA foundation to make grants for a wider range of purposes, including films and video. Seconded by Charles Geschekter...<br />"Robert Giraldo moved that the RA foundation make grants for Brent Leung's film based on available funds. Seconded by Christine Maggiore. Unanimous agreement..."<br /><br />http://www.tig.org.za/History_of_Rethinking_AIDS_3.htm<br /><br />Which makes it even harder to believe Brent Leung"s unconvincing posturing that he is an "independent" film maker "just asking questions".<br /><br />Brink also claims that RA is almost entirely funded by Leppo.<br /><br />There is a Facebook Causes site to raise money, set up by David Crowe and Sadun Kal. Sadun has since fallen out with Crowe and the RA mob. The site has over the past year raised $438. <br /><br />http://www.causes.com/causes/87084Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-58782836968895210182010-08-09T16:10:37.773-04:002010-08-09T16:10:37.773-04:00One of the Executive Producers of House of Numbers...One of the Executive Producers of House of Numbers is Martin R. Penny, formerly head of Good Hair Day, and he has a lot of money. <br /><br />http://www.facebook.com/martin.r.penny<br /><br />http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/4317974.Sir_Ken_tops_rich_list/<br /><br />"Martin Penny, who made £21 million from selling his stake in Good Hair Day (GHD) of Silsden, is worth £62 million, down £18 million on last year."NMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-59815153240398655532010-08-09T15:48:52.014-04:002010-08-09T15:48:52.014-04:00Also... Denying AIDS is available in London at Wat...Also... Denying AIDS is available in London at Waterstones...I saw it on the shelf at the store that has a large medical book stock...Gower, I believe?<br />Otherwise, Amazon for sure. FYI we just delivered the first royalty check to the Family Treatment Fund... they have already started buying people meds in Uganda!Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-1747744576326991442010-08-09T15:43:08.325-04:002010-08-09T15:43:08.325-04:00Hi Anonymous
Lots of people have wanted to know ab...Hi Anonymous<br />Lots of people have wanted to know about how AIDS denialism is funded. One place is from victims. Several people have talked about how they spent their savings on false hope and fake cures. <br /><br />Another place is from crazy rich people. The name Leppo is on Duesberg's lab and denialist movies. <br /><br />Sad. A fool and his money soon go separate ways.<br /><br />Finally, truth is they do not have lots of money. We are talking about mostly unemployed, retired, 'freelance', and disabled people. <br /><br />Most AIDS Denialism is not about money. It is no mystery which Denialists are making a buck...they are selling stuff, mostly fake cures, vitamins, and remedies. But most are not selling stuff. <br /><br />They are selling bad ideas in exchange for attention.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-69769105414656431562010-08-09T15:35:43.875-04:002010-08-09T15:35:43.875-04:00Is the book available in UK book stores? Or do I ...Is the book available in UK book stores? Or do I have to order it on amazon?<br />ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-1014407390410710482010-08-09T15:32:56.376-04:002010-08-09T15:32:56.376-04:00What I would like to know is where the denialists ...What I would like to know is where the denialists get their funding. They are are such a small group yet can produce documentaries such as House of Numbers, Aids Inc etc - as well as get their message into some main stream channels. Sure, some funding may come from the sale of quackery medicine, but as these don't work hardly much revenue can be expected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-24767180704587261972010-08-08T22:30:22.118-04:002010-08-08T22:30:22.118-04:00I think it's a mistake to underestimate the in...I think it's a mistake to underestimate the intelligence of some of the denialist leadership. Duesberg is clearly a very bright man, and I think Turner and Eleopulos are also pretty smart.<br /><br />However, being bright isn't the same as being sane.<br /><br />One measure of intelligence, as Anonymous says, is the ability to discern patterns. The problem is that drawing such connections (erroneously) is also a feature of some kinds of insanity, too. <br /><br />It's not that genius and insanity are on some kind of continuum, but the two can coexist in the same person.<br /><br />Bright ideas in science begin with this creative spark of discerning patterns and floating new, previously unthought-of ideas. It is not insanity to do this. Where the problem arises is when a scientist is unwilling to test the idea, and to discard it when it has been falsified. <br /><br />This is the problem with Duesberg and the Perthians - they started off with ideas that were "out-there" but not entirely unreasonable at the time. Unfortunately, they have not been able to find it in themselves to let go of these ideas, and that way madness lies.<br /><br />The difficulty for their followers (who are not as bright as Duesberg or the Perthians) is that it is very hard to distinguish brilliance from madness if the subject of the belief system is well outside of your knowledge base - they can look very similar.<br /><br />The ethical issue is that having failed to convince his peers (who do have the ability to distinguish a brilliant and surprising scientific theory from wingnut crankery), Duesberg and others have deliberately targeted a constituency who lack the ability to make this distinction.<br /><br />Which is basically how all cults start.Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-80304763164270479832010-08-07T21:35:47.202-04:002010-08-07T21:35:47.202-04:00Anonymous
The line between genius and insanity is...Anonymous<br /><br />The line between genius and insanity is not as blurred as the movies would make it seem. Geniuses can be eccentric for sure. But that is not what we see in AIDS Denialists. <br /><br />I studied AIDS Denialists for a couple years and met some of the leaders. I can assure you that they are not geniuses.<br /><br />The uneducated denialists that you mention, like David Crowe etc., actually cannot argue complex theories. They recite the same inaccurate, misleading, cherry picked, old news points. Like they are brainwashed. They are the cognitive equivalent of a broken record. This like perseveration more than anything else. Like what you see in autism. The same repetitious self-stimulation. They also have an impermeable belief system that looks like an encapsulated delusion. Now, these facets are discussed in Denying AIDS. <br /> <br />The genius - insanity question is not part of Denying AIDS. Thanks for mentioning it, you just might see it Denying AIDS Volume 2: The Joe Newton Diaries.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-9333584373970257242010-08-07T16:43:56.465-04:002010-08-07T16:43:56.465-04:00Seth does your book investigate the theme that may...Seth does your book investigate the theme that maybe some denialists are infact highly intelligent? Ever seen the film "A Beautiful Mind"? Think about it, some of these guys have no training in medicine, yet can argue complex theories and twist them around to support their viewpoint. A man with a high IQ can see patterns in almost anything, and come to false conclusions due to their own cerebral ability to perform mental gymnastics. They can be too clever for their own good. Problem is they attract people of lesser mental calibre because their conclusions are appealing. Where is the divisional line between genius and madness? I hope your book explores this - if so I will buy it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-63986704676854957032010-08-05T17:22:50.123-04:002010-08-05T17:22:50.123-04:00Snout, circumcision does not "cure" one ...Snout, circumcision does not "cure" one of being a dickhead, it simply removes the skin around the dickhead, thus providing ease of view to the dickhead.<br /><br />Much as my blog, Dissidents 4 Dumbees, circumcises the lies and hypocrisy of the AIDS Denialists, thus providing an easy, direct view of their dickhead souls! Oops, they have no soul. My mistake.<br /><br />Now THAT'S how you troll! heheee<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-41051939673111383072010-08-05T08:46:58.240-04:002010-08-05T08:46:58.240-04:00Wow
Lots of silliness here!
The Denialists seem r...Wow <br />Lots of silliness here!<br />The Denialists seem restless.<br />Sorry I have only been posting and not responding. I have been at our research site forcing toxic poisons down people's throats. <br /><br />Curious,<br />I do not really consider myself an advocate for anything. I suppose I am an advocate against lies and denialism, but I am not even sure advocate is the right word.<br /><br />About male circumcision (MC). For years I was very skeptical that MC played an important role in HIV epidemics. The epi studies were so confounded by religion and other cultural factors I could not make sense of them. But when 3 carefully controlled randomized trials showed the exact same findings of around 50% reduction in HIV transmission, along with those epi studies AND the biology behind them...I am convinced and on board.<br /><br />That is the difference between a skeptic and a denialist.<br /><br />And so now what happens with this compelling information is up to countries and individuals. The public health implications are clear...the cultural, religious, individual right, partial protection issues and lots of other factors -- not so clear.<br /><br />Long answer to a simple short question.<br /><br />THANKSSeth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-36553714885027912392010-08-05T01:16:00.624-04:002010-08-05T01:16:00.624-04:00"Do you advocate circumcision as an ADIS [sic...<i>"Do you advocate circumcision as an ADIS [sic] prevention measure?"<br /></i><br />Obvious troll is obvious.<br /><br />We're all deeply sympathetic that you don't have a foreskin any more, you poor <i>mutilated</i> lovey. Unfortunately, not even circumcision can cure you of being a dickhead.<br /><br />Now get over it or go troll somewhere else.Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-5717585656823260432010-08-04T21:45:26.381-04:002010-08-04T21:45:26.381-04:00"I published an unnamed aritcle in an unnamed..."<i>I published an unnamed aritcle in an unnamed journal and use a pseudonym for myself</i>"<br /><br />Would it really make a difference if you knew who I was or which publications are mine? Would you suddenly change your mind and realize the insane level of stupidity you display simply because you knew who I was and where I've been published? I think not.<br /><br />"<i>Then to attempt attacking me 'cause I hit the anonymous button for ease</i>"<br /><br />No I "attacked" because of the stupidity you display in your comments. I personally don't care whether you post your real name or another pseudonym as long as what you say is based on factual data.Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-48512899208016873102010-08-04T20:00:07.254-04:002010-08-04T20:00:07.254-04:00Hi Seth,
Do you advocate circumcision as an ADIS ...Hi Seth,<br /><br />Do you advocate circumcision as an ADIS prevention measure?<br /><br />CuriousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-40935051915049610342010-08-04T19:17:23.229-04:002010-08-04T19:17:23.229-04:00Poodles level of proof?
"I published an unna...Poodles level of proof?<br /><br />"I published an unnamed aritcle in an unnamed journal and use a pseudonym for myself"<br /><br />WTF? it's right up there with the original 4 science papers or AIDSTRTUHS proof that HIV causes AIDS, vaccuous and vapid but said with such authority!<br /><br />Then to attempt attacking me 'cause I hit the anonymous button for ease, Oh shoot I'll just place a dodgy name and that'll give me credibility. Pleeeeeease.JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-61515500712267183012010-08-04T18:56:51.178-04:002010-08-04T18:56:51.178-04:00If you consider what I write to be "vicious a...If you consider what I write to be "vicious attacks" you need to look closer. EVERYTHING I write is completely founded, substantiated, cited with loads of proof for what I write. And I do not see it as "vicious attacks". Shining a light on lies and hypocrisy is not "vicious attacks".<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-4910504700900441572010-08-04T15:40:58.603-04:002010-08-04T15:40:58.603-04:00Celia's dormant group is here. The Scottish po...Celia's dormant group is here. The Scottish posting in there guy is one for Seth's files (and clinic if you run one). Sounds like he 100% convinced his doctors are lying to him. That's very sad, especially in Edinburgh, a city famous for its medical school and its doctors. <br /><br />http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=108859919137001&v=wall&ref=notif<br /><br />And Ricci who keeps telling us HIV in Africa is not HIV but other diseases:<br /><br />http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/video/video.php?v=414508482186&comments&ref=notif&notif_t=video_reply<br /><br />Didn't Mbecki form his disastrous opinions after a few days surfing? There must be countless numbers of people who do exactly the and stumble across the glowing beard of our favourite sociopath telling them that HIV tests should be banned and AZT causes aids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com