tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post8431108109610128541..comments2024-02-25T14:29:44.021-05:00Comments on Denying AIDS and other oddities: The Power of Ideas by Ben GoldacreSeth Kalichmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-715322024617515242010-01-08T23:22:16.301-05:002010-01-08T23:22:16.301-05:00Chris,
Sadly Bill will not read the paper nor wi...Chris,<br /> Sadly Bill will not read the paper nor will he admit to being wrong. He will not, even for a moment, consider the implications of his source's lying/misrepresentation of this paper. He will change the topic, misquote, ignore the correction or goalpost shift and then conveniently push away all doubts about why his sources would have to lie about papers to support their views and what it says about their credibility. Denial at its best.Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-81492264915713685892010-01-08T05:19:47.255-05:002010-01-08T05:19:47.255-05:00Bill, read the study before you accuse me of lying...Bill, read the study before you accuse me of lying. I have told you several times that I did not author the "Keno" paper. I assume you keep on referring to this paper as an attempt to embarrass me. The only thing you are achieving is a demonstration of your dishonesty.<br /><br />At the end of follow-up (which was on average much less than 6 years) 74% were consistently using condoms and 14.5% were abstinent (see table 3). 97% of the behavioral changes occurred befoe the first follow-up. In most mathematical circles 88.5% is considered a majority. Perhaps in Denialistan things are different. <br /><br />If you want to read more about Nancy Padian's research then read this paper:<br />J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr. 1993 Sep;6(9):1043-8.<br />Prevention of heterosexual transmission of human immunodeficiency virus through couple counseling.Chris Noblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-18448341252166683862010-01-07T22:39:40.273-05:002010-01-07T22:39:40.273-05:00Chris "Keno Kid" Noble,
You can strain ...Chris "Keno Kid" Noble,<br /><br />You can strain mightily to explain away the data all you want, but the data is the data. <br /><br />And, you should stop LYING about it, since 25% of the subjects weren't practicing "safe sex"<br /><br />Read carefully and slowly:<br /><br /><i>Nevertheless, the absence of seroincident infection over the course of the study cannot be entirely attributed to significant behavior change. No transmission occured among the 25 percent of couples who did not use condoms consistently at their last follow-up nor among the 47 couples who intermittently practiced unsafe sex during the entire duration of follow-up.</i>Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-11477605403564110872010-01-07T20:37:12.627-05:002010-01-07T20:37:12.627-05:00Bill,
The Padian study did not follow 175 discorda...Bill,<br />The Padian study did not follow 175 discordant couples for 6 years. This was the longest follow up. The average follow up was a few months. The majority of couples were either abstinent or practising safe sex by the end of follow-up. There is nothing vexing about the Padian study. However, the continual misreprentation of the study by Denialists on the other hand is troubling.<br /><br />During the asymptomatic stage of infection (as distinct from the initial acute infection) the probability of transmission per contact is extremely low. This is very, very, very good news. It means that it is very simple to reduce the transmission of the virus to virtually zero with awareness, education and safer sex.Chris Noblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-33582659775756302602010-01-07T16:41:21.117-05:002010-01-07T16:41:21.117-05:00The telling comment from John Moore is that the Pa...The telling comment from John Moore is that the Padian study has been debunked on this and many other blogs, a peer reviewed published paper would perhaps serve as better scientific evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-45057473222329548502010-01-06T23:10:06.779-05:002010-01-06T23:10:06.779-05:00Clearest factual statement of the new year:
The D...Clearest factual statement of the new year:<br /><br />The DATA from the Padian Study showed no seroconversions after 6 years of sex.<br /><br />Draw your own conclusions.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-69122287684352164892010-01-06T22:48:13.254-05:002010-01-06T22:48:13.254-05:00Forgive me for asking, but how many of the 175 pat...Forgive me for asking, but how many of the 175 patients in Padian's prospective study contracted HIV?<br /><br />The Answer is Zero -- why is this so vexing?Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-52423133187177342102010-01-06T18:32:07.209-05:002010-01-06T18:32:07.209-05:00Forget that the Padian Study has been debunked ove...Forget that the Padian Study has been debunked over and over...even by Dr. Padian herself. I wonder why the denialists act as if the Padian study is the only study of heterosexual transmission out there? Yeah it was long and included lots of folks, but science is not built on one, single, definitive study (as Clark Baker keeps insisting). <br />Stop it with the Padian Study already! Pull your heads out and diversify your reading material!<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-42379055750927990642010-01-06T15:05:40.101-05:002010-01-06T15:05:40.101-05:00"who said I was an atheist?"
If you are..."who said I was an atheist?"<br /><br />If you are not an atheist, why are you not an atheist?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-76594258741336986102010-01-06T12:02:01.914-05:002010-01-06T12:02:01.914-05:00Yes, apparently so.Yes, apparently so.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-51352635811192840952010-01-06T12:01:35.583-05:002010-01-06T12:01:35.583-05:00Is Bill really as big as a moron as he appears to ...Is Bill really as big as a moron as he appears to be, or is he just cracking some kind of perverse joke? The myth that the "Padian paper" proves HIV is not heterosexually transmissible has been debunked hundreds of times on this and other Blogs. Perhaps Bill just cannot read/comprehend, or perhaps he sees the facts as being an attack on the quasi-religious position he and his fellow denialists take as an act of faith. I suspect the latter, because AIDS denialism is all about blind belief in the face of facts, which is how religious cults tend to operate.John Moorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-47027101095734261082010-01-06T11:58:40.489-05:002010-01-06T11:58:40.489-05:00I wake up every morning, stretch, and thank god I&...I wake up every morning, stretch, and thank god I'm an atheist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-17827406128787736122010-01-05T22:47:12.490-05:002010-01-05T22:47:12.490-05:00It is true about the Bush policies Todd...
In fact...It is true about the Bush policies Todd...<br />In fact, Brazil refused US support because of the crazy provision. All of that is behind us... at least for now. <br /><br />Woof..<br />I think the icons of AIDS Denialismn are a joke...if you read Denying AIDS you will see that... Duesberg, Rasnick, Bauer, the Perthies, Culshaw..the wholelot of them... make me laugh... <br /><br />It is those who listen to their crap that I take serious. Like when Rasnick the Psycho says for people who test HIV+ to 'Fergit it'. People who think he has a half of sane brain and any resemblance to a scientist (or Santa) may actually listen to him. <br /><br />That is what Denying AIDS and this blog are all about... Letting people know who they really are and what they are really saying. <br /><br />The Nazi posting at YouTube is from AIDS Deniers... so thanks for pointing that out. If you want to know my observations about Duesberg's German following...you should get a copy of Denying AIDS... starting a whole new year of royalties to buy HIV meds in Africa...I appreciate your support.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-83291240768657483942010-01-05T22:37:38.359-05:002010-01-05T22:37:38.359-05:00Why use condoms?
Dr.Padian already showed that HI...Why use condoms?<br /><br />Dr.Padian already showed that HIV is not transmitted sexually (at least by heteros), and that condoms are unnecessary.<br /><br /><b>Nevertheless, the absence of seroincident infection over the course of the study cannot be entirely attributed to significant behavior change. No transmission occured among the 25 percent of couples who did not use condoms consistently at their last follow-up nor among the 47 couples who intermittently practiced unsafe sex during the entire duration of follow-up. </b> (Padian, pg 356.)Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-3468453141749096032010-01-05T18:15:52.992-05:002010-01-05T18:15:52.992-05:00Keep 'em rolling in Seth, you always manage to...Keep 'em rolling in Seth, you always manage to give me a laugh. The main difference between us is you take all this crap seriously.<br /><br />If I could be serious for a minute, what's with the Nazi thing all the time? The ONLY sites I've seen that on are orthodox, who has the fixation? And please explain to me how that fits in with any of this apart from being throth and bubble.<br /><br />Must go now, have important toe nails to trim. <br /><br />Now pop a prozac and let the dogs out so they can bark at the fence again.Woofnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-13236974538506884392010-01-05T18:15:42.706-05:002010-01-05T18:15:42.706-05:00This statement makes me hate the Bush Administrati...This statement makes me hate the Bush Administration even more...and I did not think that was possible:<br />"under President Bush, the US Presidential Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief insisted that every recipient of international aid money must sign a declaration expressly promising not to have any involvement with sex workers."<br />How can a government possibly be so egomanical to speak for all their people in such a way?<br /><br />OR perhaps I am mistaken. Maybe the Bush Admin meant that the heads of the gov't had to stop seeing sex workers. At least in the U.S. it is the Senators and Congressmen and Governors who are always entrenched in some pathetic sex scandal!!<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-47165818821018158212010-01-05T18:06:14.863-05:002010-01-05T18:06:14.863-05:00"...says O’Connor. ‘I talk to priests who say..."...says O’Connor. ‘I talk to priests who say, “My diocese is flooded with condoms and there is more AIDS because of them.”’<br />What a typical hit and run statement with no supporting evidence. He did not even supply an anecdote as to how his twisted little mind could possibly blame condoms for making "AIDS worse". <br />My theory: If the "diocese is flooded with condoms" then they are not being used and THAT is why AIDS is spreading! Forget "just say no".<br />How about using the word NO in a better way?<br />"NO glove, NO love"!!<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-65911691044653746332010-01-05T10:34:45.262-05:002010-01-05T10:34:45.262-05:00Why do they call it intelligent design when only s...Why do they call it intelligent design when only stupid people buy into it?Who's Stupid Now?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-50986287001500436562010-01-05T10:33:29.731-05:002010-01-05T10:33:29.731-05:00Whoa there Reverend Moron.. who said I was an Athe...Whoa there Reverend Moron.. who said I was an Atheist? I forgave God years ago for creating stupid people... Flaws like Duesberg, Rasnick and your other heroes must be part of the grand plan.. <br />Crazy is as Crazy does.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-80803082738370174212010-01-05T10:28:53.769-05:002010-01-05T10:28:53.769-05:00Hey Seth
You know that section in your book, The N...Hey Seth<br />You know that section in your book, The Nazi Thing... too bad this was not out before you wrote Denying AIDS... They definitely have a Nazi Fixation.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q77yfuKmoMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-36608004146787071922010-01-05T07:29:33.477-05:002010-01-05T07:29:33.477-05:00Hmm sounds like a God Denier to me, dangerous anim...Hmm sounds like a God Denier to me, dangerous animals those. Everyone knows that the "Consensus" of human beings including many top scientists and even Nobel Peace Prize winners have agreed that a higher being exists. There are literally tens of thousands of papers, parchments, papyrus, clay tables and books that Prove the existence of God. There are many proven examples of Gods power and magnificence. We can indirectly prove the existence of God through miracles. We have thousands of published Iconographs of God.<br /><br />The Eastern Mystic Blot = Proof of God<br />PCR = Praise Christ Reborn<br />ELISA = 2nd cousin to God, sister of Job.<br />Mystic Load = Exposure to God and can be used to calculate your time to spirituality.<br /><br />You mainly attack Gods existence based on cherry picking data from earlier works on God. We have learnt a lot more about God recently and you should restrict your reading to circa 100 BC.<br /><br />"There is nothing to debate, God Exists, and anyone who disagrees is a moron not worthy of this blog space, we will crush them one by one"<br /><br />Just change a few words and it should all sound only too familiar to you all.<br /><br />I take it Seth that you are a God Rethinker? or is that a God Denialist? Do you not accept the "Consensus" in this instance?<br /><br />Then again you probably subscribe to Scientology instead.<br /><br />And try try not to confuse satire with one of your pseudo psychological diagnoses. I am interested though in what diagnoses you give to a person that presents their alter ego as a talking canine on the Web?<br /><br />Q. You know what they call someone who can't get to med school and study Psychiatry due to poor grades?<br /><br />A. A psychologist.The Reverend Moorenoreply@blogger.com