tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post4410970305629000664..comments2024-02-25T14:29:44.021-05:00Comments on Denying AIDS and other oddities: AIDS Denialist Movie is a House of CardsSeth Kalichmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comBlogger115125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-52994532465801720402011-03-15T19:13:11.763-04:002011-03-15T19:13:11.763-04:00Conclusion: old same story, everybody is defending...Conclusion: old same story, everybody is defending their own little businesses...<br /><br />That's how we humans have evolved. God, watch us in rapture! LOLDevastatedhttp://youcangoalltohell.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-2386197111993444182009-10-08T07:26:51.260-04:002009-10-08T07:26:51.260-04:00One country where the global economic crisis is af...One country where the global economic crisis is affecting efforts to treat AIDS patients is South Africa. In SA the UN estimates that 5.7 million people live with HIV/AIDS and 18 percent of those aged 15 to 49 have contracted the virus.Rebecahttp://www.asiarooms.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-33513907095942000102009-09-15T12:22:28.917-04:002009-09-15T12:22:28.917-04:00Weird - that linkedin profile has now disappeared....Weird - that linkedin profile has now disappeared.TDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-50569273474481540582009-08-10T09:35:08.478-04:002009-08-10T09:35:08.478-04:00There's a reference online to a Brent W. Leung...There's a reference online to a Brent W. Leung marrying a Linda M. Nishida earlier this year:<br /><br />http://www.murfreesboropost.com/news.php?viewStory=17093<br /><br />And my recollection is that in an interview Brent did he said his girlfriend was based in New York. Does anyone know if it's this Linda Nishida, who works in pharmaceutical PR?<br /><br />Linda Nishida<br />Team Leader, Chandler Chicco Agency<br /><br />Greater New York City Area Public Relations and Communications<br />Current<br />Team Leader at Chandler Chicco Agency<br />Past<br />Healthcare Public Relations at Biosector 2<br />Account Supervisor at GCI Group, Inc.<br />Education<br />University of Maryland, College Park<br />University of Michigan<br /><br />http://www.linkedin.com/pub/linda-nishida/0/46b/554<br /><br />Summary<br /><br />Skilled practitioner with five+ years of experience in public relations and communications, three years of which have been spent in healthcare-focused public relations on the agency side. Experience spans across work in private PR agencies, as well as local and federal government agencies.<br /><br />Specialties<br />Product approvals & FDA/EMEA regulatory announcements, data publicity, issues management, educational programming, advocacy relations, spokesperson development, internal communications, new business development, event planning and account management. Experience spans across a range of therapeutic areas, including oncology, virology and HIV, CV, arthritis/pain and insomnia.TDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-21535159244799008922009-05-22T08:32:55.104-04:002009-05-22T08:32:55.104-04:00Mark Wainberg likes to liken "HIV denialism" to ho...Mark Wainberg likes to liken "HIV denialism" to holocaust Denialism. This is ironic in that he is one of the perpetrators of one of the most insidious holocausts in the history of mankind. What is a better definition of a holocaust then the killing of people through lies, terror, isolation,hopelessness and poisoning by AZT? That he is doing all this without the aid of concentration camps is all the more insidious. Oh yes, you can only get out of this holocaust by paying $3000.00 a month for "miracle drugs" but this is the only way out. Mark, I pray that you are still alive when the great lie about aids is finially revealed, and make no mistake Mark it shall be revealed. If I were you I'd start preparing for it. Here's a suggestion why don't you discover that the long term use of the "miracle drugs" actually cures aids completely. At least that way the poor victims of pharmacutical greed won't have to endure the dissabilatating side effects anymore.Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05735075713514880633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-49044927643889508172009-05-10T20:48:00.000-04:002009-05-10T20:48:00.000-04:00Goodbye SadOne.
I am happy to say there is no HIV...Goodbye SadOne. <br />I am happy to say there is no HIV-causes-AIDS controversy outside the minds of AIDS Denialists. <br /><br />Of course, the last Denialist to say she was taking a break from AIDS is now suing the Treatment Action Group. <br /><br />I hope that the break from all this blogging gets you to see how much time you have wasted. I also hope that the project you have mentioned working is better use of your time. Take this time to reconcile who you are…you have expressed considerable inner confusion. I will leave it at that.<br /><br />I am glad you can take a break from AIDS. Those who are HIV infected cannot. The mischief you have chosen to cause could help confuse people who need quality information to make life and death decisions.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-1162711956694229382009-05-10T19:07:00.000-04:002009-05-10T19:07:00.000-04:00I'm back once more. But this is the last time. Bec...I'm back once more. But this is the last time. Because Seth doesn't want me to explain myself I won't bother. Let's just say that I'm determined to significantly distance myself from the HIV/AIDS controversy for about 4 months, at least. So I'll briefly respond and then say goodbye.<br /><br />PoodleStomper,<br /><br />As far as I can see, those statistical models still assume an accuracy rate for the tests used. Such assumptions cannot be accurately tested in the case of HIV/AIDS, because it's clinically not possible to clearly distinguish "AIDS" from many other conditions, the "latency period" makes it infinitely more difficult. In fact "AIDS" was born out of unreliable assumptions about indirect detection methods in the first place. So it's some sort of circular reasoning I guess.<br /><br />Snout,<br /><br />I really wish you would focus on refuting their fundamental arguments instead of unscientifically trying to make generalizations (which are inaccurate IMO) to discredit the PG's work entirely. We'll agree to disagree then. If you're so skeptical about their intentions, I encourage you to directly ask them. I'm also curious about what they exactly have in mind with those experiments. I would contact and ask them if I were to donate (or if I were as unbelieving as you are). If they're expecting people to make serious donations with so vague info, they're fooling themselves. But I doubt that this is the case.<br /><br />Chris Noble,<br /><br />So if I understand correctly you think of ridiculing certain people as a tool for educating the rest of the public. (Or at least that's your claim/excuse.) The reason I think that this approach is far from being perfect is because you inevitably sacrifice some people for the sake of others. You aren't just not helping them, but you're even digging deeper holes for those people. I consider an approach where everybody is encouraged to improve themselves more reasonable. I encourage you to listen to this talk: <A HREF="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/robert_wright_on_optimism.html" REL="nofollow">Robert Wright: How cooperation (eventually) trumps conflict</A>...<br /><br />I'll leave you with that note.<br /><br />And I will do my best to not to read your responses if you reply. I want to get HIV/AIDS out of my mind for a while, I want to be able to fully focus on other things. So we won't be talking to each other for a long while probably. Take care, best wishes etc...sadunkalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05237465910243455615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-78708282541372703922009-05-08T11:03:00.000-04:002009-05-08T11:03:00.000-04:00Nessie, did you just hack my blog with your holida...Nessie, did you <A HREF="http://snoutworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/on-my-ninth-visit-to-loch-ness-i-no.html" REL="nofollow">just hack my blog</A> with your holiday photos? You <I>naughty</I> Monster, you!Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-79007794648501414862009-05-04T23:05:00.000-04:002009-05-04T23:05:00.000-04:00Personally, there is nothing like reading Loch Nes...Personally, there is nothing like reading Loch Ness Odyssey when you need to brighten your day. I mean the first sentence reads, "ON MY NINTH VISIT TO LOCH NESS, I NO LONGER EXPECT TO SEE THE MONSTER, even though I fully believe that it exists" <br />Only once have I been able to get past that sentence. I laugh so hard, my eyes tear up and I have to stop. <br />If he wasn't such scum, I would thank him for his comic relief.Nessienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-50846417452282934582009-05-04T13:53:00.000-04:002009-05-04T13:53:00.000-04:00JTD
Having spent quite a bit of time on various AI...JTD<br />Having spent quite a bit of time on various AIDS denialist [defined as those who Deny that HIV cases AIDS, Hello!], websites, blogs, and books, it is obvious which ones are more of a waste of time than others. <br /><br />Don’t get me wrong, they are all a waste of time. <br /><br />But Henry Bauer scores a triple. <br /><br />This sounds like a good time for you to dump it as well. Why bother?<br /><br />I can tell you how I have always seen Bauer. No one takes him seriously except the most entrenched AIDS Denialists. He has no credibility, anywhere. None. When asked if Peter Duesberg commented on his book he said not yet. Now why would that be? After all, doesn’t Bauer prove what Duesberg has been saying? Has Bauer been censored by Duesberg? No one but Crowe endorses Bauer. And all it takes for Crowe to endorse you is a pulse and a promise to deny HIV causes AIDS. <br /><br />I have always said that what is amazing about Bauer is how AIDS Denialism has embraced him. Speaks volumes about AIDS denial. I have that who section in the Pseudoscience chapter of Denying AIDS on this issue. <br /><br />Let me know if you see anything new if your go back. But really, do something more productive, like take a nap! Even sleeping would be more productive than reading Henry Bauer's blog.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-60533322644126197112009-05-04T12:58:00.000-04:002009-05-04T12:58:00.000-04:00Kalichman,
I am so over Henry Bauer. I wish other...Kalichman,<br />I am so over Henry Bauer. I wish others would go to his site and point out how ridiculous he is! Here is what I posted to his most recent diatribe on you and your book:<br />Geez, Bauer,<br />Is this the best you can do? You start off saying Kalichman is making errors left and right and mis-quoting and you are insinuating he is lying in his book, “Denying AIDS”, and your start off shot is that Kalichman says your publisher is MACFarland, and should be MCFarland?? Oh, that is terrible, indeed!!! Kalichman should be shot!<br />Also, your followers HATE being called DENIALISTS, yet with this sentence, you 100% absolutely assert that you are an HIV/AIDS Denialist:<br />“The preceding sentences make plain that I am denying any connection between HIV and AIDS.”<br />What a great leader you are indeed!!!<br />J. Todd DeShong<br />http://hivskeptic.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/caveat-lector-kalichman%e2%80%99s-less-than-komical-kaper-7/jtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-53114047853374753032009-05-04T06:49:00.000-04:002009-05-04T06:49:00.000-04:00Ridiculous. Deserving of ridicule; foolish; absurd...Ridiculous. Deserving of ridicule; foolish; absurd.<br /><br />It is completely absurd and ridiculous when a homeopath demands that Science retracts the 1984 Gallo papers. Where is the evidence for homeopathy? Homeopathy is complete and utter pseudoscience. It has no physical basis and a complete lack of compelling experimental evidence of anything beyond a placebo effect.<br /><br />It is ridiculous when an emeritus contrarian asserts there is more evidence for the existence of the Loch Ness monster (sorry I mean cryptoid) than for the existence of HIV. <br /><br />It is ridiculous when Kary Mullis accepts astrology and the Urantia Book (supposedly written by extraterrestrials http://www.karymullis.com/urantia.html ) but doesn't accept the evidence that HIV causes AIDS.<br /><br />It is also ridiculous when a scientifically illiterate media student writes emails to the Nobel Prize committee and asks them to reconsider the Nobel Prize given to Montagnier and Barre-Sinousi.<br />http://conself.blogspot.com/2008/10/nobel.html<br /><br /><br />It is also ridiculous when the same media student sets up a blog on the Nature website and calls it Pure HIV/AIDS Science Forum when he has no clue about science<br /><br />http://network.nature.com/groups/purify/forum/topics<br /><br />It is also ridiculous when I give this media student an example of an internet kook http://www.youtube.com/user/bgaede and the media student fails to recognise pure pseudoscience when it is handed to him on a platter.<br /><br />http://condeve.blogspot.com/2009/01/i-think-this-is-very-important.html<br /><br />Sadun, you do serve one useful purpose. You provide a clear picture of the target audience for HIV Denialists. You are scientifically illiterate and blissfully unaware of it. You are pathologically distrustful of "orthodoxy" and "authority" and completely credulous of "alternative" claims. <br /><br />I realised after some time that despite your alleged open minded attitude that you are simply not interested in learning any science that might conflict with your pet ideas. Ridicule is an appropriate response, not because I want to convince you of your ridiculousness, but because the vast majority of people can see the absurdity of your claims and those of your fellow denialists.<br /><br />The danger of group think such as the insular HIV denialists is that they lose sight of their own absurdity.Chris Noblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-56083161156613653732009-05-03T22:09:00.000-04:002009-05-03T22:09:00.000-04:00I just watched the Law & Order SVU Retro episo...I just watched the Law & Order SVU Retro episode again, you know the Christine Maggiore story. A couple people were over who had not seen it. If you ever forget just how crazy and destructive the denialists are her story remains the most twisted. <br /><br />It also struck me how a work of fiction on denialism could be closer to the truth than Denialist Brent Leung’s crockumentary on AIDS.<br /><br />It is all so damn weird.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-8804939305080485962009-05-03T22:04:00.000-04:002009-05-03T22:04:00.000-04:00Sadun said:
"You can still feel free to expose the...<B>Sadun said</B>:<br />"You can still feel free to expose the Perth Group in any way you wish at my blog"<br /><br />Sadun, why would I want to give the Valendeleni Troll any more exposure than it already has? That's getting sucked into their game (see Strategy 2 from their website).<br /><br />Valendeleni has constantly and repetitiously tried to convince real scientists of their view point. In doing so they have made their modus operandi clear to anyone who reads their stuff carefully.<br /><br />They have done no actual science themselves, and have zero clinical experience of the disease they are pontificating about.<br /><br />They claim to be "review" scientists. As Chris has already pointed out, they are nothing of the kind. Review scientists accurately summarise the literature, reflecting the conclusions of the authors they review. Valendeleni consistently <B>lie</B> about and <B>misrepresent</B> the sources they cite. This is not "review" - it is pseudo-review by pseudo-scholars promoting their own pseudo-science.<br /><br />In recent weeks you have been presented with numerous examples of how they lie about their sources: lying outight about Montagnier's views on HIV gp41, lying about what the Lancet authors were saying about the relationship between HIV infection and KS, etc.<br /><br />While I agree that a comprehensive list of the Perthians' lies would be a useful document, I do not believe for a moment you are an honest broker in such an enterprise. You have displayed no ability whatsoever to look critically at their claims. You have unashamedly shilled for them on your blog, even to the point of <A HREF="http://conself.blogspot.com/2009/01/perth-group-donations-for-experiments.html" REL="nofollow">soliciting money for them</A>. "But err... we won't tell you what we're going to do with this cash you send us."<br /><br />How stupid do you think people are, Sadun?Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-37467127429742808602009-05-03T21:54:00.000-04:002009-05-03T21:54:00.000-04:00Sadunkal,
"I never said anything about 100% sensit...Sadunkal,<br />"<I>I never said anything about 100% sensitivity or specificity.</I>"<br /><br />I didn't say you did.<br /><br />"<I>I consider the "statistical tests" highly inadequate for compensation though.</I>"<br /><br />You are not a statistician. Statistical tests are used for many things. These tests are done comparing different methods of detecting the organism in question, be it HIV or Treponema pallidum (syphillis).<br /><br />"<I>What kind of statistical test are you exactly referring to anyway? Something like "many people who test positive develop AIDS" or what? Is there an official established scientific reference standard in form of a statistical test? Where is it?</I>"<br /><br />See above. Also see the links I sent you before (since it is obvious you haven't looked at them yet). Do you need me to repost them?Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-59502258837429616952009-05-03T21:48:00.000-04:002009-05-03T21:48:00.000-04:00Ah Todd, I don't remember any link about western b...Ah Todd, I don't remember any link about western blots from you but I'm not just looking for statements anyway. I'm looking for a little more than that. You know... science, maybe..? Plus saying that western blot is a gold standard makes little sense, since it begs the question: What was the reference standard for the western blot? <br /><br />Are you a creationist Todd?sadunkalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05237465910243455615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-25102923310327941642009-05-03T21:42:00.000-04:002009-05-03T21:42:00.000-04:00Sadunkal,
>Are "HERVs" the only cand...Sadunkal,<br /><br />>Are "HERVs" the only candidates for virus-like particles?<br /><br />The particles to which Carter was referring are HERVS, yes.<br /><br />>Is this question of mine relevant to your point? I don't know.<br /><br />My point (my question, actually) was why you would say such things as "<I>I'm not sure about the infectivity, I doubt the experiments were ever done</I>" or "<I>I would suspect that they would behave similarly</I>" if you clearly haven't done the research?<br /><br />Why do you "doubt the experiments have been done" if you haven't bothered to research it? One can find any number of HERV-related articles with a click of a mouse button (and a few keystrokes).<br /><br />Similarly, what is the basis for you "suspecting" that VLPs/HERVS are infectious like exogenous retroviruses are if you haven't done the research?<br /><br />You are wrong in both cases, btw, but my question is not so much whether you are right or wrong (that much we already know) but why you deem yourself capable of making assumptions on a topic you don't bother to research. That is all.Jean-Marc DeKeyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13547739652945598329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-41611983734613203952009-05-03T20:05:00.000-04:002009-05-03T20:05:00.000-04:00Todd is sad! I guess I am out of the game.
I have...Todd is sad! I guess I am out of the game.<br />I have explained specificity/sensitivity to Sadunkal and have even supplied him before with a link that states Western Blot as the Gold Standard for HIV Testing, but like all denialists faced with truth in direct opposition to their lunacy, they just ignore you.:(<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-80212753614641422032009-05-03T17:52:00.000-04:002009-05-03T17:52:00.000-04:00The only reason why I keep posting Sadun’s nonsens...The only reason why I keep posting Sadun’s nonsense is because I enjoy watching Snout, Poodle Stomper, JTD, Chris, and BioLad point out the idiocy of AIDS Denialism. If you guys decide that you have had enough of him that is fine and I will end the thread.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-67835542960439550622009-05-03T16:02:00.000-04:002009-05-03T16:02:00.000-04:00BioLad,
For clarification, saying that I doubt so...BioLad,<br /><br />For clarification, saying that I doubt something's existence is not equal to saying that I know that it doesn't exist. But no, I still didn't do an in-depth research about virus-like particles. But also notice that I didn't use the word "HERV", you did.<br /><br />Are "HERVs" the only candidates for virus-like particles?<br /><br />Is this question of mine relevant to your point? I don't know.<br /><br />Either way, feel free to enlighten the public with your information... For example by posting some info at the "Debunking the Perth Group's Arguments" blog post of mine.sadunkalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05237465910243455615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-78711827038034619912009-05-03T15:39:00.000-04:002009-05-03T15:39:00.000-04:00Chris Noble,
You didn't answer my question.
...Chris Noble,<br /><br />You didn't answer my question.<br /><br />>"...the only reasonable response is ridicule..."<br /><br />Why is that? Again, how do you determine what's reasonable? I didn't ask you whether or not it's reasonable to debate creationists, I asked you why you consider ridiculing others reasonable. No need for binary thinking, you got more than 2 options. What is it that you gain from ridiculing? What is it that you lose? Is it the best option?sadunkalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05237465910243455615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-67623659554223811412009-05-03T15:31:00.000-04:002009-05-03T15:31:00.000-04:00Snout,
It's hard to describe how ridiculous your ...Snout,<br /><br />It's hard to describe how ridiculous your fantasies about my relationship with Val and Eleni sound to me. You have absolutely no idea about my interactions with them and your insane conspiracy theory is difficult to take seriously.<br /><br />I'm going to write that blog post anyway, no matter what you do or not do. My request was only for improved prioritization, and writing it is not a priority of mine anymore. You can still feel free to expose the Perth Group in any way you wish at my blog, I just hoped you would actually contribute something with a little more potential for actually debunking their fundamental arguments. It's a shame that you're so unwilling to share your alleged knowledge.sadunkalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05237465910243455615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-14880084934061341162009-05-03T15:18:00.000-04:002009-05-03T15:18:00.000-04:00Hi again!
PoodleStomper, you said:
>"You do n...Hi again!<br /><br />PoodleStomper, you said:<br /><br />><I>"You do not understand that there are many reasons and situations in which true gold standards of 100% sensitivity and 100% specificity are impossible in physical science. It is not that tests without Gold Standards need to be criticized. This is why we have statistical tests to compensate for that."</I>I never said anything about 100% sensitivity or specificity. Straw-man arguments again. Any reasonable reference standard would be fine in my opinion. I consider the "statistical tests" highly inadequate for compensation though.<br /><br />What kind of statistical test are you exactly referring to anyway? Something like "many people who test positive develop AIDS" or what? Is there an official established scientific reference standard in form of a statistical test? Where is it?sadunkalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05237465910243455615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-80446960722139290582009-05-02T13:37:00.000-04:002009-05-02T13:37:00.000-04:00Nice...when you google or yahoo brent leung your s...Nice...when you google or yahoo brent leung your site is one of the first to pop up. Not really all that surprising given that his only other "contribution" to society is his flopped Graves film (if that doesn't convince you that denialists accept any imbecile into their clique, nothing will. I mean what side of field is leung on anyways?). Actually I'm gonna be fair, Brent has done something good for society: if you happen to swallow poison, don't bother with the ipecac, just visit his house of numbers facebook page, it will have the same effect. Oh yeah, and Brent, please go back to Canada, as the addition of yourself maxes out our crazy quota. Take bauer while you're at it, that should smooth things out:) Really, it's only fair. Click here in case of emergency http://www.facebook.com/pages/House-of-Numbers/40491054861Lisa Eatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-18348277175709012152009-05-01T20:54:00.000-04:002009-05-01T20:54:00.000-04:00Seth, you said: "If people who comment here expres...Seth, you said: "If people who comment here express interest, I will probably post it in some form at some point". <br /><br />Pleeeeeeeeaase do post it! And ASAP! We can hardly wait to tear into it!Trying not to drool while Lickin' our chops.noreply@blogger.com