tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post3579562559542915974..comments2024-02-25T14:29:44.021-05:00Comments on Denying AIDS and other oddities: In denial: The McGill Daily’s Stephanie Law exposes the dangers of ignoring the causal link between HIV and AIDSSeth Kalichmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-54897775088773849722010-11-29T16:18:27.377-05:002010-11-29T16:18:27.377-05:00AIDS cases are also increasing here in the Philipp...AIDS cases are also increasing here in the Philippines. So far there are more or less 5,000 cases since 1984.Tom23https://www.blogger.com/profile/09760371821660298769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-31042282429589783422009-11-27T21:26:35.228-05:002009-11-27T21:26:35.228-05:00Actually Seth I would like to say one final thing ...Actually Seth I would like to say one final thing to those reading in regards to this topic (although Bill will obviously not understand this). The paper Bill cites not not, in fact show a steady decrease in "<i>ALL INFECTIOUS DISEASES IN AMERICA</i>". It looks a certain diseases (certainly not ALL) but more interesting is what the paper Bill cites (and thus apparently accepts as a valid paper) says about AIDS specifically.<br /><br />There is a dramatic increase in deaths due to AIDS in the early 1980s (see figure 3). The authors state explicitly:<br /><br /><i>Trends in the 9-cause aggregate varied by age group (see FIGURE 3). The decline in the mortality rate in the first 8 decades of the century was seen in all age groups. <b>The increase after 1981 was seen only in persons aged 25 years and older. In the 25- to 44-year-olds and 45- to 64-year-olds, the increase after 1981 was primarily due to deaths from AIDS</b>, while in the oldest age group (65 years), the increase was primarily due to increased deaths from pneumonia and influenza.</i>"<br /><br />Figure 4 likewise shows that while syphilis had decreased dramatically, AIDS deaths increased. Apparently the "<i>general sanitation, nutrition and public health</i>" had no effect on AIDS (no big surprise).<br /><br />Finally, most telling in this paper that Bill accepts as valid science, is found in the conclusion:<br /><br /><i>During the first 8 decades of the 20th century, the infectious disease mortality rate in the United States declined substantially, consistent with the concept of epidemiologic transition. Improvements in living conditions, sanitation, and medical care probably accounted for this trend. But over a 15-year period starting in 1981, this trend reversed, with infectious disease deaths consistently increasing from year to year for the first time since the federal government began tracking mortality statistics. Now, as the end of the century nears, infectious disease deaths may again be declining; a 7% drop was registered in 1996, largely because of a substantial decline in AIDS<br />mortality.</i><br /><br />And therein lies the message of this story. Overall, infectious disease mortality decreased, mainly due to novel medical interventions, hygiene, ect... However, all of these were for naught on introduction of AIDS, at which point deaths once again spiked. Nutrition, antibiotics, hygiene, ect... did not resolve the problem. The spike in deaths continued until 1995ish with the introduction of HAARTs.<br /><br />So in conclusion, not ALL INFECTIOUS DISEASES (as Bill claimed) experienced a steady decline. AIDS deaths spiked for 15 years until the introduction of HAARTs. Until HAARTs, all the nutrition in the world didn't do squat to stop AIDS deaths. Neither sanitation. As for the placebo effect, one needs only look at the denialists who fooled themselves into thinking HIV is harmless and died of it anyway to see how much that helps.Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-49369234654975347062009-11-27T17:49:05.077-05:002009-11-27T17:49:05.077-05:00Chris, Poodle Stomper, Snout...
This is the last f...Chris, Poodle Stomper, Snout...<br />This is the last from Bill on this thread. It will just go on forever and clog my blog. So unless you have something to add this is it on the JAMA article... If any of you want the last word just comment.... Bill need not apply.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-9732567580402829542009-11-27T14:58:51.351-05:002009-11-27T14:58:51.351-05:00Ahh, the loser known as "Poodle Stomper"...Ahh, the loser known as "Poodle Stomper" continues to peddle bold-faced lies --even on a Thanksgiving holiday.<br /><br />Lemme correct the record:<br /><br />1. <i>can you be man enough to admit you were flat out wrong, that the paper specifically studied only 9 common pathogens?</i><br /><br />Hey, Stupid, READ THE ENTIRE PAPER.<br /><br />Page 62: Overall infectious disease mortality<br /><br />They analyzed 252 - 282 causes, and specifically identified them, including typhoid, measles, smallpox, scarlet fever, flu, plague, yellow fever and AIDS.<br /><br />2. <i>On a different note, does anyone other than I find it paradoxical that Billy would rant about the evils of Big Pharma and their HIV medications, making it seem like they practically invented AIDS to make a profit ..</i><br /><br /><br />Big Pharma didn't invent AIDS, Stupid. They exploited it to sell billions worth of worthless, toxic drugs based on a flawed paradigm. We cured polio with 2 vaccines; we failed to cure AIDS with 29 toxic drug regimens.<br /><br />3. <i> yet is perfectly willing to credit their vaccines and antibiotics for a decrease in other diseases? </i><br /><br />God, you are dense! Of course, I credit Penecillin with curing many bacterial infections--who wouldn't? Of course, some vaccines have worked. Who disputes this? <br /><br />The main thrust of the 95% decline in mortality from infectious diseases in the US, however, has nothing to do with drugs or vaccines. It's general sanitation, nutrition and public health.<br /><br />3. <i>Here I half expected he would have gone completely anti-pharmaceutical and become an anti-vaxxer or deny the benefits of antibiotics just because some people do experience negative side effects from them. </i><br /><br />Even HIV medications provide SOME benefit to SOME AIDS patients -- as a general anti-biotic or simple placebo. On the whole, though, the drugs are terrible for your liver, cause cancer in the long run and are certainly not specifically targeted to the elusive human retrovirus, discovered in Gallo's fraudulent lab.<br /><br />Gobble, gobble!Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-39083827829629351432009-11-27T01:15:24.291-05:002009-11-27T01:15:24.291-05:00Chris and Poodle Stomper...
AIDS Denialism is a m...Chris and Poodle Stomper...<br /><br />AIDS Denialism is a mental health problem. I am talking about those who become enmeshed in the false hope offered by believing HIV does not cause AIDS - or even questioning whether HIV causes AIDS [the psychos who propagate the myths are a different story]. These inconsistencies and self-contradictions we see are typical of delusions. Rules of logic cannot apply when reality is ignored.<br /><br />The saddest part of this is that we can never help pull them out. I do not know of a single case of AIDS Denialism where someone was talked down to reality. When people do get out it seems only failing health brings them about... often too late. Our best hope is to keep people from buying into the sack of crap.... the whole point of this blog and Denying AIDS.<br /><br />So none of the paradoxical thinking and inconsistencies in Bill's comments surprise me. They are to be expected.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-59632355469401789312009-11-27T00:51:10.566-05:002009-11-27T00:51:10.566-05:00Chris,
You need to repeat things to Bill very, v...Chris,<br /> You need to repeat things to Bill very, very often before they sink in. Eventually, in about 20 or so years he will realize what "<i>I'm not the person who wrote that article involving Keno</i>" means. Perhaps if he continues with the "Keno Kid" I will start addressing him as Brave Sir Robin (from Monty Python's Holy Grail) since brave Sir Robin would "bravely run away" from battles as Billy does from a topic rather than admitting when he is wrong.<br /><br />On a different note, does anyone other than I find it paradoxical that Billy would rant about the evils of Big Pharma and their HIV medications, making it seem like they practically invented AIDS to make a profit yet is perfectly willing to credit their vaccines and antibiotics for a decrease in other diseases?<br />Here I half expected he would have gone completely anti-pharmaceutical and become an anti-vaxxer or deny the benefits of antibiotics just because some people do experience negative side effects from them. Perhaps even Bill's silliness has limits. Then again...Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-26892741231286480772009-11-26T19:51:26.072-05:002009-11-26T19:51:26.072-05:00Bill
I've told you before I'm not the pers...Bill<br />I've told you before I'm not the person who wrote that article involving Keno. I'm not exactly sure why you insist on continuing with what I gather is supposed to be an ad hominem smear. Before you accuse me of lying you should look at yourself first.<br /><br />Nobody is denying that the death toll from infectious diseases was much higher in 1900 than it is now. However, your argument that 70,000 deaths are not significant because many more died in the past is quite bizarre. How many mothers would have to die from puerperal fever before it became significant? How many children would have to die from polio? Setting the 18th century as your benchmark is plain stupid.Chris Noblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-32893455573466667732009-11-26T00:11:21.644-05:002009-11-26T00:11:21.644-05:00Keno Boy,
And the DECREASE from 797 deaths/100,0...Keno Boy, <br /><br />And the DECREASE from 797 deaths/100,000 to 36 deaths/100,000 amounts to how extra lives saved per year?<br /><br />Lying to others is one of your specialties, but now you're lying to yourself! Pathetic.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-44311289643044749652009-11-25T14:57:10.690-05:002009-11-25T14:57:10.690-05:00a slight uptick to 63 deaths/100,000.
That slight...<i>a slight uptick to 63 deaths/100,000.</i><br /><br />That slight uptick amounts to an extra 70,000 deaths per year in the US alone. <br /><br />Insignificant?Chris Noblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-75301765439698329522009-11-25T11:03:06.417-05:002009-11-25T11:03:06.417-05:00Thanks JTD
Of course the royalties from Denying AI...Thanks JTD<br />Of course the royalties from Denying AIDS will buy HIV meds in Africa, making my stock in the drug companies that much more profitable, not to mention the consulting I do for Big Pharma and the funds they pump into my research. <br /><br />I mean, if I owned stock in drug companies. And if I consulted with drug companies. That is if I ever did receive research funds from drug companies. All of which are not so.<br /><br />Baker is an idiot. The problem is not Baker/Bauer/Duesberg/Rasnick..the concern lies with those poor souls like Bill that buy their cart of crap.<br /><br />By the way, have you seen that new HIV infections have declined worldwide since the increased access to HIV meds? Good news, and very much welcomed.<br />http://www.unaids.org/en/default.aspSeth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-5750082716036815082009-11-25T08:38:13.841-05:002009-11-25T08:38:13.841-05:00Seth,
Baker and Bauer are just jealous of you. Y...Seth, <br />Baker and Bauer are just jealous of you. You have published six books, I believe, as well as over 200 peer reviewed articles! All of the reviews I have read of "Denying AIDS" have been spectacular. If you are such a "PharmaSlut" (God, Baker is about as classy as Ely), then why would you donate the immense royalties from "Denying AIDS" to buy HIV Meds for Africa?<br />Seems pretty self~less to me. But I am a supposed Pharma Slut myself. Of course according to Baker I am also "retarded" and an "Apartheid Sympathizer"! <br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-38054836289015744292009-11-25T07:56:08.009-05:002009-11-25T07:56:08.009-05:00Bill,
I seen you've chosen the "ignore ...Bill,<br /> I seen you've chosen the "ignore being wrong" route. Tell me, can you be man enough to admit you made up your claim that the paper said "<i>From 1900 to 1996, mortality from ALL INFECTIOUS DISEASE in America (that would viruses) decreased from 797 deaths/100,000 to 59/100,000</i>"? can you be man enough to admit you were flat out wrong, that the paper specifically studied only 9 common pathogens? If you accept this paper as being reliable science, do you realize it also stated that there was an increase in TB due to AIDS? Will you simply pretend you didn't make up your "<i>ALL INFECTIOUS DISEASE</i>" claim and keep going on with your many mistakes? Yes? Then, as Seth stated, that is why it is called <b>denialism</b>.Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-58360940416923221122009-11-25T01:39:49.526-05:002009-11-25T01:39:49.526-05:00Bill
Thanks for bringing Clark's rant. For rea...Bill<br />Thanks for bringing Clark's rant. For readers who do not know who Clark Baker is, visit JTD's blog http://dissidents4dumbees.blogspot.com/<br />You can learn how Clark was fired from the LAPD for brutality. Seems he is an internalized homophobe acting out his self-hatred as an AIDS Denier. Anyway, Clark is in some sort of Big Pharma conspiracy delusion. Funny how he brings up the article award as if it connected me to Big Pharma. Is that the best he can do? <br /><br />What about that pen I received from Phizer at the Mexico AIDS Conference? Baker reminds me of when AIDS Denier David Crowe told Joe Newton (not knowing I was Joe Newton) that I am corrupted by Big Pharma because my research partnered with an AIDS service provider that received charitable contributions from drug companies. Pretty sad really.<br /><br />Bill, I think your brain may be swelling again. Take 3 Megagrams of vitamin C and call Dr. Bauer in the morning.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-29649320617984706782009-11-25T00:59:02.618-05:002009-11-25T00:59:02.618-05:00Chris "Keno Kid" Noble,
Boy, are you on...Chris "Keno Kid" Noble,<br /><br />Boy, are you one dense computer geek.<br /><br />Look at the graph from 1900 - 1980 -- that's the major decline.<br /><br />Your tiny, wittle 59% increase is classic way to lie thru statistics. 59% of what? Mortality had already dropped from 797 deaths/100,000 to 36 deaths/100,000, then a slight uptick to 63 deaths/100,000.<br /><br />Try to be honest for once.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-9825286732489824522009-11-24T22:35:48.962-05:002009-11-24T22:35:48.962-05:00Great blog from Clark Baker:
Useful Idiots: Like ...Great blog from Clark Baker:<br /><br /><i>Useful Idiots: Like Dr. Kuritzkes, when PharmaSluts receive awards and recognition, the drug industry isn’t far behind. So when Seth Kalichman PhD received an “Outstanding Research Article Award” from the Association of Nurses in AIDS Care in 2006, their corporate sponsors included Abbott Laboratories, Boehringer-Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals, Bristol-Myers Squibb Company, Ortho Biotech Products, L.P., Tibotec Therapeutic Clinical Affairs, Virco Lab, Inc.,<br />Schering-Plough Corporation, Pfizer, Inc., GlaxoSmithKline, Solvay Pharmaceuticals and Tibotec.</i><br /><br /><i>Like his South African cohorts at AIDSTruth.org, Kalichman blogs to promote his unreadable books and justify his pharmaceutical grant funding. Although I tracked my email to him last June, I don’t expect a reply. PharmaSluts share the same natural aversion toward experienced criminal investigators as felons I've busted. </i>Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-47493523262566678812009-11-24T19:41:04.156-05:002009-11-24T19:41:04.156-05:00Bill must have walked through the Armstrong paper ...Bill must have walked through the Armstrong paper with his eyes closed, his fingers in his ears and his brain switched off into complete denial mode.<br /><br />"In the United States, mortality due to infectious diseases increased 58% from 1980 to 1992,[7] a trend that was unforeseen."<br /><br />I think Bill is an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. "But I wore the juice!"Chris Noblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-84960287458698985672009-11-23T22:31:06.969-05:002009-11-23T22:31:06.969-05:00"he will either disappear for a while and the..."he will either disappear for a while and then return with convenient memory loss of this incident or just change the topic."<br /><br />And that's why they call it Denial.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-73765400860222519772009-11-23T21:30:01.489-05:002009-11-23T21:30:01.489-05:00I would have to disagree with you for once, Seth. ...I would have to disagree with you for once, Seth. I think that in this case, Bill didn't even bother to read the abstract. I would suspect that he maybe read the title and then partially skimmed the abstract for numbers. The kicker in all of this is his arrogant "<i>But, I'll walk you thru the Armstrong paper again.</i>" I find it amazing that after all his previous misquoting of studies that he doesn't even think it would be a good idea to actually read this past one. I'm guessing he will either disappear for a while and then return with convenient memory loss of this incident or just change the topic. In any case I don't think he will be man enough to admit he was wrong. <br /><br />So tell me Bill, just how much do you enjoy making an ass of yourself?<br /><br />-BarkiePoodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-17193665391720059172009-11-23T17:52:38.465-05:002009-11-23T17:52:38.465-05:00Bill, you do your movement proud!
You are just as ...Bill, you do your movement proud!<br />You are just as much of an *EPIC FAIL* as any of 'em! I think they should have voted you into the Board of Directors at their RA Conference!<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-48986215979354935242009-11-23T08:05:01.884-05:002009-11-23T08:05:01.884-05:00You gotta love Bill.
AIDS Deniers, from Duesberg...You gotta love Bill. <br /><br />AIDS Deniers, from Duesberg on down, rarely discuss the content of a study or full article. They talk about the abstract. That says a lot.<br /><br />So what if I agree with Bill, that infectious diseases have become clinically irrelevant. What should we conclude? Maybe the reduction has occurred mysteriously? Perhaps there has been some dramatic reduction in stress in American society over the past few decades? <br /><br />Of course, control of infectious diseases can have nothing to do with advances in anti-bacterial and and anti-viral medications. No way that could be true.<br /><br />Tell you what Bill, next time you notice some swelling and fever, give Dr. Duesberg a call. He can recommend someone for a good flushing of the anal toxins. Or better yet, call Dr. Rasnick. I hear his Matthias Rath discount is still available.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-51031136179325598142009-11-23T07:46:47.802-05:002009-11-23T07:46:47.802-05:00It seems I copied and pasted one word too few. &q...It seems I copied and pasted one word too few. "<i>Nowhere does it say "INFECTIOUS DISEASE in America</i>" should have said "<i>Nowhere does it say "ALL INFECTIOUS DISEASE in America</i>".Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-3023813944404611892009-11-23T00:15:21.286-05:002009-11-23T00:15:21.286-05:00Billy,
You must truly enjoy making an ass of you...Billy,<br /> You must truly enjoy making an ass of yourself! You cite the above article and say (and I quote) "<i>From 1900 to 1996, mortality from <b>ALL</b> INFECTIOUS DISEASE in America (that would viruses) decreased from 797 deaths/100,000 to 59/100,000."</i><br /><br />Did you bother reading the article (or even the abstract? The study specifically states "<i>Trends in age-specific infectious disease mortality were examined by using age-specific death rates for <b>9 common infectious causes of death</b>.</i>" Nowhere does it say "<i>INFECTIOUS DISEASE in America</i>". In fact, it goes on to say (specifically about HIV):<br /><br />"<i>Tuberculosis caused almost as many deaths as pneumonia and influenza early in the century, but tuberculosis mortality dropped off sharply after 1945. <b>Infectious disease mortality increased</b> in the 1980s and early 1990s in persons aged 25 years and older and was <b>mainly due to the emergence of the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS)</b> in 25- to 64-year-olds and, to a lesser degree, to increases in pneumonia and influenza deaths among persons aged 65 years and older. </i>"<br /><br />Guess you probably should have read more than the title, eh?Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-7228765396087415862009-11-23T00:13:03.279-05:002009-11-23T00:13:03.279-05:00November 21, 2009 9:49 PM: It's not a question...November 21, 2009 9:49 PM: <i>It's not a question of denying CJD, it's a question of clinical irrelevancy.</i><br /><br />November 22, 2009 11:23 PM: <i>CJD and kuru are both inventions by a sleazebag Nobel Prize winner, Dr. Carlton Gadjusek, a convicted pedophile, who went native with the cannibals of New Guinea in the 1970s.</i><br /><br />No comment.Chris Noblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-26586431291543103962009-11-22T23:59:26.806-05:002009-11-22T23:59:26.806-05:00Hi Seth!
As a premier scholar in the esteemed fie...Hi Seth!<br /><br />As a premier scholar in the esteemed field of clinical psycho-babble, your aversion to concrete FACTS and simple statements of TRUTH is not unsurprising. <br /><br />But, I'll walk you thru the Armstrong paper again.<br /><br />http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/281/1/61<br /><br /><br />In year 1900, about 797 people died in the U.S. from infectious disease per 100,000 people<br /><br />That was high.<br /><br />In year 1996, about 59 people died in the U.S. from infectious disease per 100,000 people.<br /><br />That is low.<br /><br />Do you see how that works? That's a 95% decline.<br /><br />Can you imagine if the homicide rate in Detroit dropped 95%?<br /><br />Can you imagine if the suicide rate dropped 95%?<br /><br />Same dynamic.<br /><br />The biggest killers in America are (1) heart disease, (2) cancer and (3) stoke. THESE ARE NOT INFECTIOUS DISEASES.<br /><br />Very simple, Sigmund Fraud.<br /><br />Please tell me you understand these simple, clear statements. Even an esoteric, abstract emotive professorial goof like you, should be able to understand cold, hard numbers. And, above all,......<br /><br />Have a nice day!Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-70769202571811884072009-11-22T23:45:04.407-05:002009-11-22T23:45:04.407-05:00Thanks Bill
Your visits from LaLa Land keep me goi...Thanks Bill<br />Your visits from LaLa Land keep me going. You are right. The Rethinking AIDS crowd has become much more than just AIDS Denialism. You guys have morphed into a whole new Aneuploidy species. Infectious diseases are now clinically irrelevant? Really? That is about the dumbest thing I have heard since Henry Bauer's claim that Black people test HIV positive because of their Black immune systems. <br />Crazy is as Crazy does.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.com