tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post2578313822740281763..comments2024-02-25T14:29:44.021-05:00Comments on Denying AIDS and other oddities: AIDS Denialism 2009: A Year in ReviewSeth Kalichmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-25237817793002312772010-01-04T22:39:22.273-05:002010-01-04T22:39:22.273-05:00"whereistheproof" is a semi-regular post..."whereistheproof" is a semi-regular poster on other Blogs, definitely someone UK based. Never anything original, just stuff regurgitated from RA web site, Baker's blog etc, etc. Another wannabee, an English version of "Bill" or "Michael", someone dependent on the writing of others for what he posts. Not worth another moment of your time or anyone else's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-6719150488893337912010-01-04T14:04:44.008-05:002010-01-04T14:04:44.008-05:00Thanks Anonymous...
The comment posted by whereist...Thanks Anonymous...<br />The comment posted by whereistheproof was actually sent to me as an email. I regularly place those emails where they belong... as a comment on my blog. In some cases I reply, in this case it seemed senseless. I included the 'Baker?' because it sounded like his usual rant, although he usually identifies himself in emails he has sends me. Plus I have been getting a bit more hate mail from the UK and South Africa since my New Humanist article. You are probably correct. <br />Thanks again...<br />SethSeth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-13281488229272376142010-01-04T13:54:39.322-05:002010-01-04T13:54:39.322-05:00"Whereistheproof" is not Baker. He, she ..."Whereistheproof" is not Baker. He, she or it spells "honor" as "honour", which is Brit-speak. Mind you, as the post has a lot of spelling mistakes, that's not definitive proof.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-66069942338629688222010-01-04T08:20:30.674-05:002010-01-04T08:20:30.674-05:00I'm just curious but didn't we all address...I'm just curious but didn't we all address this claim of Bill's before? Is he too stupid to remember or simply too willing to forget?Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-11035561123700727592010-01-04T04:41:02.641-05:002010-01-04T04:41:02.641-05:00House of Numbers has certainly been the hit of 200...<i>House of Numbers</i> has certainly been the hit of 2009.<br /><br />According to their website, the producers, who spent over 1.5 million dollars on the production and associated promotional activities, have managed to secure no fewer that 38 - count them 38 - individual screenings in cinemas and festivals worldwide over the past ten months. That's nearly one a week!<br /><br />And some of these screenings managed to attract audiences of literally... <i>dozens</i> of patrons - some of whom were not the hard core AIDS denialists who've been following it round since day one!<br /><br />Lemme see... my estimate that the film has cost around $1500-$2500 per non-hardcore denialist whose bum they've managed to put on a cinema seat to watch this crap.<br /><br />But wait! HoN ha announced another screening!<br /><br />It's in Hilo, Hawaii (pop 40,759) at 2.30 on a Sunday afternoon in the local "arthouse" cinema The Palace. One Screening Only!<br /><br />http://www.houseofnumbers.com/about-house-of-numbers/screeing-schedule<br /><br />They had asked the main local business the Mauna Loa Macadamia Corporation for sponsorship, but apparently the Mauna Loa people told them that HoN was too nutty for them.Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-54195969251897171842010-01-02T23:36:01.537-05:002010-01-02T23:36:01.537-05:00Funny! But, I thought you jokers were into scienti...Funny! But, I thought you jokers were into scientificfacts -- such as 106,000 people in the U.S. are killed each year from prescription drugs:<br /><br />http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/279/15/1200<br /><br />This paper has been cited in the scientific literature 2419 times.<br /><br />This is on par with your favorite paper by one Dr. Bob Gallo in 1984, cited 2467 times<br /><br />http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/sci;224/4648/500<br /><br />Bwahahaha!Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-83805409775920368812010-01-02T12:42:32.906-05:002010-01-02T12:42:32.906-05:00Denise,
Why did you have to mention the eye-on-the...Denise,<br />Why did you have to mention the eye-on-the-pyramid-on-the-dollar-bill. It keeps staring at me and it wont stop. And stop thinking I am paranoid, I know what you are thinking!Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-33575765288056891482010-01-02T12:31:13.513-05:002010-01-02T12:31:13.513-05:00@ Poodle Stomper: you left out Illuminati:May our ...@ Poodle Stomper: you left out Illuminati:May our Illuminati-corrupted government admit what the eye-on-the-pyramid-on-the-dollar-bill means how they killed Mozart, and why they allow GW Bush to attend meetings at the Bohemian Grove (Damn! I'm sick of *him*!)Best wishes from your Illuminata-shill.Denice WalterDenice Walternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-89819377194141106312010-01-01T21:30:22.844-05:002010-01-01T21:30:22.844-05:00And may 2010 likewise be the year that our NASA-co...And may 2010 likewise be the year that our NASA-corrupted government admits that men never landed on the moon, that our Jewish-corrupted government admits the holocaust was a fraud, that our Satan-corrupted government admits that evolution is a hoax, that our Climatology-corrupted government admits there is no such thing as global warming, ect, ect, ect... Am I forgetting anyone? I wouldn't want to leave anyone out of the loony-New Years wishes.<br /><br />Best wishes from your pharma-NASA-Jewish-Satan-Climatology Shill,<br /><br />Poodles.Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-3284558647319082262010-01-01T18:02:48.574-05:002010-01-01T18:02:48.574-05:00So that we can grief and remember all those that f...So that we can grief and remember all those that fell victim to this lie.<br /><br />To remember and honour those that heroically stepped forward to tell the world the truth.<br /><br />And to hold those accountable that continue to perpetuate this genocide.<br /><br />Lets be clear about what is at stake: millions of lives are at risk here.<br /><br />Hundreds of thousands have been told they will die if they do not take ARV's.<br /><br />Our governments have been corrupted by Pharma, pressing our representatives to push their drugs on us.<br /><br />We are being discriminated against, our children are taken into state custody if we disagree with ARV treatment options, we are sentenced and locked up and paraded like freaks in the media when it is suspected that we passed on a virus that yet has to be isolated and to be shown that it causes AIDS. <br /><br />We are called 'Holocaust Denialist'. and while our lives pass by those who started this lie make a living off this tragedy. <br /><br />Many of us believing what they were told now live in isolation. Our human rights are at stake.<br /><br />May 2010 be the year where all this changes. The year when Gallo and his henchmen are held accountable. <br /><br />The year when our doctors once again rediscover the meaning of the hipocratic oath. When governments once again realise that science can not be left to greed.<br /><br />I will continue to ask questions and more importantly I continue to demand the answers we all deserve. <br /><br />In this spirit and hopeful as ever that this great human tragedy will soon find an end, I wish you all a great 2010.Whereistheproof(Baker?)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-44144910769657128562009-12-31T17:31:44.626-05:002009-12-31T17:31:44.626-05:00I wish leslieallen, whoever the real troll is, wou...I wish leslieallen, whoever the real troll is, would be more specific regarding these "compliant vs. non~compliant" friends are/were. And be specific. How many of each? How long have/did you know these people? etc...<br />I think even trollallen will admit a few holes in this story.<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-39001318222931323202009-12-31T14:23:11.150-05:002009-12-31T14:23:11.150-05:00David Rasnick's "expertise" on prote...David Rasnick's "expertise" on protease inhibitors is self proclaimed. The reality is very, very different...... Of course Leslieallen is a person who is very easily fooled so it's not surprising that Rasnick has pulled the wool over his/her eyes. <br /><br />Harvey Bialy an authority on anything sane? Yeah, right, and I'm the Queen of Sheba.....<br /><br />And yes, Christine Maggiore and he daughter did die of AIDS. Them's the facts, whatever Leslieallen prefers to believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-24691736647348600382009-12-31T14:18:47.156-05:002009-12-31T14:18:47.156-05:00Oh and regarding Maggiore if you are accepting the...Oh and regarding Maggiore if you are accepting the Al-Bayati spin on it, can you explain her disseminated herpes and other telltale signs of AIDS? Those aren't normal symptoms of renal failure. Have you considered why Al-Bayati ommitted those from his PR spin (if indeed an autopsy was performed). Do you even care so long as what you read supports your belief?Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-49305222110169070672009-12-31T14:07:36.913-05:002009-12-31T14:07:36.913-05:00How about Raphael Lombardo then?How about Raphael Lombardo then?Poodle Stomperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071485010133858924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-13029051325258297312009-12-31T13:45:49.882-05:002009-12-31T13:45:49.882-05:00“It does not take a PhD Clinical Psychologist to s...“It does not take a PhD Clinical Psychologist to see these guys are raving lunatics.” Um...I guess it’s a matter of perspective. When you’ve lost your HIV+ medication compliant friends and have left only the non-compliant ones, your perspective changes. Suddenly the “raving lunatics” make a whole lot of sense, and those guilty of the ad hominem attacks I mentioned when I joined this conversation appear to be wearing permanent blinders. And don’t bother trotting out Christine Maggiore at this point. I already know what you’re going to say, and it doesn’t matter, because it’s not true.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071268964193108585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-43485630561023401152009-12-31T01:04:34.780-05:002009-12-31T01:04:34.780-05:00Leslieallen..
You are either very new to this den...Leslieallen..<br /><br />You are either very new to this denialism or you are trolling.<br /><br />Harvey Bialy has serious mental health problems. His rants against homosexuals are famous on the Internet. I personally experienced his emotional instability. And when I asked David Crowe about it, he told me that Dr. Bialy has been 'like that' for a long time. I do not want to speak too poorly of the man, I believe he recently died of cancer.<br /><br />And Rasnick's expertise with protease comes from experiments he did on rats having nothing to do with HIV. <br /><br />Do you know that Rasnick believes that the CIA is working with Glaxo to propagate the myth that HIV causes AIDS? <br /><br />Did you know that Rasnick conducted unsanctioned and illegal 'clinical' research for Matthias Rath on vitamins to treat AIDS in South Africa?<br /><br />Just like a debate about whether HIV causes AIDS is senseless, so too is a discussion about whether Bialy and Rasnick are firing all cylinders. <br /><br />Like I recently told Bill, these details are all discussed in Denying AIDS. <br /><br />It does not take a PhD Clinical Psychologist to see these guys are raving lunatics.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-20080316677715112552009-12-31T00:45:24.207-05:002009-12-31T00:45:24.207-05:00Nutcases like Harvey Bialy and David Rasnick? You&...Nutcases like Harvey Bialy and David Rasnick? You're joking right? Rasnick is an expert on protease inhibitors. Bialy is a molecular biologist. You're a psychologist? And don't bother trotting out the "consensus" crap--consensus means nothing when science itself has become corrupt.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071268964193108585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-32666023983175297262009-12-30T23:51:46.752-05:002009-12-30T23:51:46.752-05:00Leslieallen
You are absolutely right, there is pl...Leslieallen<br /><br />You are absolutely right, there is plenty to debate about HIV/AIDS. Just not the questions answered back in the 1980s.<br /><br />Funny you should bring up Rebecca Culshaw. I have always found her book title Science Sold Out ironic. She sold her career short with only two publications after graduate school she ended up retiring at quite a young age. She made the mistake of listening to nut cases like Harvey Bialy and David Rasnick for career advise. Really too bad.Seth Kalichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715826946361587097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-91901743919151669782009-12-30T21:21:12.768-05:002009-12-30T21:21:12.768-05:00There's only nothing to debate among those who...There's only nothing to debate among those who have forgotten that science and knowing is never closed off or finished, most especially not when the answers have been as unsatisfactory as they have been with AIDS. Further, science has very often, in Rebecca Culshaw's words, "sold out." It certainly appears to have done exactly that in the case of AIDS. There is plenty to debate.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071268964193108585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-24783811394061347302009-12-30T14:13:54.451-05:002009-12-30T14:13:54.451-05:00Yes, Seth, of course I agree that, within the HIV ...Yes, Seth, of course I agree that, within the HIV scientific community, there are many debates that take place on an almost daily basis, which is normal and healthy for a vibrant and ever-evolving field. You'll recall that several of us discussed a couple of recent news stories about HIV-related gene therapy subjects only this morning, putting the publicly available information into some form of context. But of course the denialists' craved for "debate" is a very different thing, a destructive and pointless exercise that would merely boost their egos by providing some kind of evidence that their foolish views are actually credible enough to discuss.<br /><br />I'm not a cancer researcher, although I did publish a couple of papers on oncogenes in the very early stages of my career, before I switched to HIV research in the late 1980s. However, even from the periphery of the field, it was clear even then (mid 1980s) that Duesberg had already burned his bridges to the scientific community. It's generally believed that Duesberg's career went into terminal decline because he attacked Bob Gallo's (and others') work establishing HIV as the cause of AIDS. This isn't entirely true, as Duesberg's career was ALREADY in free-fall by then, the reason being his scientifically unfounded attacks on the work of leading cancer biologists and virologists (Temin, Weinberg, Baltimore, Varmus, Bishop, etc). It's particularly notable that those he attacked were people from his peer group, or younger, whose work had attracted media attention and/or been rewarded by prizes etc. You, as a psychologist, can interpret such behavior better than most people can. I believe someone used the phrase "malignant narcissism" in this context, the purpose being to make the point that Duesberg simply couldn't bear to see other scientists succeed in the areas of science he felt were "his to dominate". So he attacked their work, to try to drag them down. He failed, because the people he attacked were right about the science of cancer biology, just as Bob Gallo was right about HIV. And that failure cost him his career; it's perfectly OK to be critical of the work of other scientists, but not when you're wrong so egregiously on the science........<br /><br />So, my sense is that Duesberg would have never contributed anything worthwhile to cancer research even if HIV hadn't come along. He would still have wasted his energy attacking those he disagreed with, and would have become more or more marginalized and ignored as a result. He would not have become quite the pariah he did turn out to be, because his attacks within the cancer biology field would probably not have cost lives in the way his attacks over HIV/AIDS did. In other words, he would have just faded away, a failed career on the fringes of cancer research.John Moorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-3243438161214746302009-12-30T11:01:14.791-05:002009-12-30T11:01:14.791-05:00Actually John, you will agree that there is plenty...Actually John, you will agree that there is plenty being debated in AIDS science. As you have said many times, we do not know everything about how HIV causes AIDS. But we do know that HIV does cause AIDS. And we know that HIV Treatments save lives. <br /><br />The notion of a debate about HIV causing AIDS had merit in 1984. Maybe even 1987. 1889? <br /><br />If Leslieallen would like to read about the AIDS debates with 'dissidents' she/he should go back and read Jon Cohen's series of articles in Science where Duesberg is given his due. Or go back and read about he debates that were held at the CDC and elsewhere. Or read about them both in Denying AIDS.<br /><br />The debate was legitimate back in the 80's and the question was undeniably settled.<br /><br />The sad reality is that Peter Duesberg has never been able to move on and continues to seek attention as an AIDS Denialist. The only unanswered question for me is..<br /><br />What contributions to cancer research may Duesberg have made if he were mentally healthy and did not listen to the conspiracy nut cases?Seth Kalichmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-49664594551110075482009-12-30T10:47:57.213-05:002009-12-30T10:47:57.213-05:00There's nothing to debate! One might as well d...There's nothing to debate! One might as well discuss publicly whether the shape of the flat earth was triangular or square. No respectable scientist or sane member of the public would ever do that, except as a joke/spoof. And AIDS denialism is way too lethal to be funny. So, no, there will never ever be a public debate with these people.John Moorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-50067942589205919352009-12-29T20:02:14.065-05:002009-12-29T20:02:14.065-05:00If you guys could actually avoid the underhanded a...If you guys could actually avoid the underhanded ad hominem approaches you so prefer, and take up the other side on their invitation to public debate, you might actually be taken seriously beyond this little circle of half-dozen or so true fundamentalist believers.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18071268964193108585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-65260049081416615342009-12-27T17:31:15.332-05:002009-12-27T17:31:15.332-05:00One avenue to deal with Null is the law that cover...One avenue to deal with Null is the law that covers charities. If he's using his, even indirectly, to make money for his business, a half decent lawyer would take him down big time. Something to look into?<br /><br />Yeah, he's one of the worst types of denialist. Unlike the dumb ones who act from some misguided conviction or other, Null is in it only for the money and is smarter than the average denialist (it's all relative of course). He takes a ride on the others, let's them do the hard yards for him then rakes in the cash. We should coin a term for him and his kind. How about "quackshill" or "homeoprofiteer", something like that.<br /><br />Definitely agree more attention needs to be paid to this evil #### in 2010. Getting him off the airwaves in New York City would be a good start.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-633581663557175057.post-2927243078194094642009-12-27T16:43:15.444-05:002009-12-27T16:43:15.444-05:00@ Anonymous(11:50 AM): Thanks! I am well aware of ...@ Anonymous(11:50 AM): Thanks! I am well aware of ACT-UP's terrific (and successful) efforts and have also been involved concerning Pacifica/PBS/NPR stations(in a slightly different way).Moron Null:(Sorry,I couldn't resist):1.about lawsuits wasting "his own money and time",maybe not- he supposedly now has a charity (NIA) which supports his anti-vax activities,"documentaries", and his new internet "radio network"(PRN): he does fund-raising for the real radio station(WNYE) and slips in adverts for his "charities" into the mix.He's always asking for volunteers:to answer phones,do work, as drivers.2. It's not *just* the kids I worry about but people of all ages who call him for "advice":I once attended one of his bookstore "lectures" and was too sickened by this issue to challenge him about credentials.3.The amount of money he earns is staggering(data from Spoke.com and his own website/see his "stimulus package").4.For an example of an on-air "debate" and related material, google up "Lee-Phillips.org"(at his site, search: Gary Null). A physicist for the US Navy relates his own efforts. Denice WalterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com